You owe, big time.

[ilbegone]

It's not a "dodge" concerning cultural differences, it's the truth.

I know people who have thick accents, and understand but don't speak Spanish. They are people in between, despised both by people like you and their parent's countrymen as well. Exploitation style American employers don't generally want to hire them as well, too much American taint. The American born being seen as Mexican only works to the differing goals of the Mexican government and American brown separatists and their deluded lackeys. Otherwise, it's generally not worth a crap to anyone else. They, like their parents, are pawns worked to various political goals.

And blanket revocation of citizenship is a dangerous thing, where does it end? Get it started under any but the most narrow of circumstances, and it just might morph into something which reaches and touches you as well.

Much better to have the 14th amendment clarified as to its original intent and go by a certain cut off date of born before or after, as outlined in my above post.

Other than that, I'm not going to get into an endless cycle of arguing with you over what tint of blue the sky is or what time of day it is somewhere - anywhere here or else in the world: Greenwich meantime, international atomic time, Texas time, military time, Indian time, quarterly versus seasonal time, fiscal period, what semester we're in, lunar cycle, Gregorian calendar, Julian calender, BC-AD, BCE-CE, Mayan calendar, time for lunch, time for supper, time to hit the ol' fart sack, Howdy Doody time, effective time, work time, break time, time line, martini time, beer thirty, time for a cold'un, relaxation time, space time continuem, International date line, competitive time, 8 second rider, three minute wonder, gestation time or any other kind of time.

[Twoller]

You have completely failed to grasp the problem and the situation.

Mexico and Mexicans have systematically established a population of people in the US who cannot be citizens. They are not the only ones doing this, language is not always an issue.

It does not matter what kind of hardships threaten those people falsely claiming US citizenship because they had a non-citizen ancestor somewhere back. It does not matter. That is part of the excuse and leverage being applied against US citizenship. The hardships that loom for those people is not the problem of US citizens. We are being deliberately attacked by having our country flooded by non-citizens. The interests of US citizens come first. Next comes the interests of naturalized citizens, all those people who have come in legally, applied for US citizenship and legitimately achieved it. As long as they are good citizens, then their citizenship should not be questioned.

But all the rest and their descendents represent an act of aggression and subversion and need to be confronted as such.

Isn't it obvious what you are proposing in some kind of cut off date? It is amnesty and can only exist as a leverage point and more opportunity for illegal immigrants and their anchor babies.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Twoller

You have completely failed to grasp the problem and the situation.

But all the rest and their descendents represent an act of aggression and subversion and need to be confronted as such.

I fully grasp the problem, and I see the situation.

You see it linear and black and white, I see it in color 3D.

What I propose earns me enmity from both sides, and if you actually read what I wrote above, it is actually quite harsh. It also has drawbacks for myself, but it is what I think best.

Your quoted paragraph in this post shows quite a bit of ignorant bigotry, why don't you be a man of your word and pick someone off the street that fits your profile and confront them?

And don't be harassing old women or little kids, pick someone who has calloused hands.

As I stated to you some time ago, If you and your buddies ever show up on my porch with your expressed attitude, I promise you a lesson on why you should be a little more self reflective.