Back to the Border 2011

[wetibbe]

Originally Posted by Twoller

Funny, why is it that a secure border always means our southern border? We have a northern border with problems too. What do you have to report on our northern border? Anything?

There is plenty to be said about "border states". New York is a border state. Not only does it have a long frontier with Canada but it also has lots of coast line and airports.
Canada's border is much longer than Mexico's. But unlike Mexico Canadians enjoy a high standard of living and education as well as being ethnically similar to Americans in The USA. The whole country is the second largest, geographically, in the world after Russia. But it's population is only around 32 - 35 million as opposed to Mexico's 100 million plus. Central America, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Honduras also contribute as does the Caribbean, Cuba, Haiti. And South America Ecuador, Venezuela, Brazil. Canadians do not flock across. It is predominantly foreigners who enter Canada in transit to the the USA. However, the Campesino's certainly do cross over from the USA headed North. Whereas the Southern border crossers are predominantly seeking work, or trafficking drugs, or committing crimes or escaping from their country's law, the Canadian border crossings appear to be largely terrorists.
Back several years, in the heyday of MCDC Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, there was a Long Island, NY, headquartered outfit that was organizing Northern border weekend watches up on the Canadian border. It's a 4 hour drive up there. Many who committed to go didn't show up on the appointed day. Those that did go essentially hung around the border stations kicking a soccer ball back and forth to the Canadians. I don't think they ever actually saw an illegal border crosser. It was a publicity stunt to drum up interest in the Arizona border fence that MCDC said it would build. We hear very little about any apprehensions. Occasionally someone is caught crossing the ST. Lawrence river, or Lake Erie, in a boat, that gets spotted and caught. It's pretty remote, little populated and very forested up there in Northern New York, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine. The Canadian side is even more so.
So far as the UAV drone aircraft are concerned, the past record of the Texas UAV,s according to reports, wasn't impressive. The actual hours flown were very low. Only a fraction of available hours. And apprehensions were rather dismal. Low numbers. Cost was high per man caught. It wasn't very cost effective. Boots on the ground were far more efficient and much lower cost with many more contacts. DHS put up 6 UAV"S recently, from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California but I haven't seen any reports of hours in air or apprehensions.
Sad to say it is getting increasingly more and more difficult to get a straight story out of DHS, CBP, ICE and BATF. They are so busy spinning, deceiving, covering up that there is little credibility.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

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So far as the UAV drone aircraft are concerned, the past record of the Texas UAV,s according to reports, wasn't impressive. The actual hours flown were very low. Only a fraction of available hours. And apprehensions were rather dismal. Low numbers. Cost was high per man caught. It wasn't very cost effective. Boots on the ground were far more efficient and much lower cost with many more contacts. DHS put up 6 UAV"S recently, from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California but I haven't seen any reports of hours in air or apprehensions.

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Yes, the drones are no substitute for people on the ground or real barriers, even on the border with Canada.

We have to be very careful with Canada, many there have the same problems as Mexico and see the US as an international welfare state. Social dumping from Canada is also a problem.

[ilbegone]

Getting border ops together is pretty tough these days. Money being the big obstacle. People used to have a little disposable income to spend on a weekend or 4 day deployment, but not these days. Plus, a lot of practiced border op people have moved away from the border. I'd like to see it, but it will be an uphill effort.

A few years ago, there was an interview of Jose Angel Gutierrez by what I believe was the Fort Worth Star Telegram. He predicted that in a few years that the US would be bankrupt, and that's when his Aztlan would be realized.

[wetibbe]

Originally Posted by Ronbass

It's time for American Patriots to go back to the border.
If any one has resources that they know of post on this thread.
For example, on going volunteer border patrol operations.

Secure the Border, Enforce the Law, and no Amnesty.

About the only two active operations in Arizona that I know about are Bill Davis and J.T. Ready.

Bill Davis http://www.cochisecountymilitia.org/ sponsored a border event last summer but got a poor response. He was also offering volunteers to cattle ranchers to watch properties.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...cochise+county


J.T. Ready is something of a controversial character that drew lots of negative publicity. His small group went out looking for illegal aliens in Cochise County 70 miles North of the border.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...360&q=jt+ready

According to the SOS radio report here on this site, Jim Gilchrist, Minuteman Project, is trying to raise funds to field another border/Minuteman event. I did receive an E-mail from him also.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...uteman+project

I did read a news report that an Arizona Legislator was proposing funding civilian border watchers but haven't heard any more in recent weeks.

The other border movement is law enforcement BORTAC special tactical SWAT teams and sheriffs using civilian deputies..

[ilbegone]

Sad to say it is getting increasingly more and more difficult to get a straight story out of DHS, CBP, ICE and BATF. They are so busy spinning, deceiving, covering up that there is little credibility.

No wonder. Department of Homeland Security (CBP, ICE) and the Treasury Department (BATF) are cabinet positions reporting directly to the Spinner in Chief.

As is the Department of Justice, which has sued Arizona for attempting to do a job Obama forbids the feds to do, which is also the employer of civil judges presiding over the greatly understaffed Immigration Court system, and oversees the Federal Unit charged with investigating Judicial and Prosecutorial misconduct within the DOJ.

Head of the Labor Department Hilda Solis has cooked up this deal between cabinet departments:

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Labor Department have also come to an agreement, said Solis. ICE will suspend worksite immigration investigations for sites where the Labor Department is investigating labor disputes such as wage and hour, family and medical leave, discrimination or health and safety issues. http://blog.latinovations.com/2011/0...-on-hispanics/

It's outrageous enough that such a deal was made, but undoubtedly whenever ICE would get around to doing a workplace raid and and asks Hilda if anything is going on, there will undoubtedly be a "labor investigation" being conducted at that particular site.

This is why I say that unless errant politicians and non elected government employees are tarred and feathered while permanently exiled from public office, governmental employment, and employment as lobbyists, and until employers experience serious consequences for hiring illegals nothing will change.


There's a tremendous amount of governmental ass which needs to be profoundly kicked.


If the president were serious about immigration enforcement, the UAV's would be indispensable in ferreting out and apprehending hill top look outs which are said to be as far as 200 miles north of the border.