Seattle Cop Killer Hailed as Muslim Hero

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Twoller

I think there is a problem with lumping blacks and hispanics together as a social issue. The problems that African Americans have to deal with have absolutely nothing to do with the complaints made by hispanics. The "hispanics" have nothing to complain about, really. The African Americans, the real African Americans, not African immigrants, have had a lot to overcome and still suffer the reverberations of their ordeal as slaves.

It's true there are a lot of rotten leaders claiming to represent the African American community, but leadership there is tough to find.

But I have to admit, time is running out on African Americans, their communites are becoming increasing blurred and diffused.

Well I would agree with you that much of what the Blacks are experiencing is quite different from someone who just crawled across our border. But some things are a problem that society as a whole has created. I say this because of three generations of welfare recipients and the damage to so many as a result. It has created a feeling of entitlement, lack of responsibility and a continued underclass which has now become an acceptable lifestyle and enabler for illegals. The Blacks and Hispanic are two different demographics, but they do share some common problems, along with other ethnics to a lesser degree.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

Well I would agree with you that much of what the Blacks are experiencing is quite different from someone who just crawled across our border. But some things are a problem that society as a whole has created. I say this because of three generations of welfare recipients and the damage to so many as a result. It has created a feeling of entitlement, lack of responsibility and a continued underclass which has now become an acceptable lifestyle and enabler for illegals. The Blacks and Hispanic are two different demographics, but they do share some common problems, along with other ethnics to a lesser degree.

But the reality is that not all hispanics in the US got here by crawling accross the border. And what got hispanics classed as an underclass was the misplaced designation of hispanics as a racial classification. Hispanics no more deserve a racial distinction in the US than the Italians or the Scandinavians. Notice that middle easterners are not considered a race legalistically in this country. And I would say that African Americans have some rights to claim some entitlements. But nobody else, at least nobody else distinguished as a race and certainly not African immigrants or black immigrants from outside the US or any of their descendents.

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by Twoller

But the reality is that not all hispanics in the US got here by crawling accross the border. And what got hispanics classed as an underclass was the misplaced designation of hispanics as a racial classification. Hispanics no more deserve a racial distinction in the US than the Italians or the Scandinavians. Notice that middle easterners are not considered a race legalistically in this country. And I would say that African Americans have some rights to claim some entitlements. But nobody else, at least nobody else distinguished as a race and certainly not African immigrants or black immigrants from outside the US or any of their descendents.

Twoller, we're pretty much in agreement again. I'm just not sure about the entitlements you think "African Americans' are entitled to. I think the whole Affirmative Action thing has outlived its original purpose, and even though the playing field may not yet be level, many of those who claim they're entitled to things for that reason will never be willing to acknowlege that the playing field is level when that comes about. At some point every traditionally disadvantaged minority group has to accept that life isn't completely fair and play the cards they're dealt. I know that's easy for me to say as a white male, but other minorities have achived great success by keeping a positive attitude and realized their full potential through hard work and a refusal to accept a victim status.