Traitor!

ilbegone · #1 08-20-2010, 10:36 AM

I just don't understand what I view as the lunacy of power struggles, maneuvers for position, and character assassination in the anti illegal immigration movement.

I was never involved with Coe, Swilk, or the vast majority of the others. I never met Chelene, but Chelene did try to run me off the old board. And she was vicious about it.

The "anti American" invective is just one version of an old smear tactic. "If you don't agree with my narrow perspective you're anti-American!!!", or queer, back stabber, Benedict Arnold, molester of small bovines, incestuous, immoral, criminally inclined, sell out, and so on and on...

I don't have personal ties with those people, and I don't care what they might think of me. I sometimes feel very fortunate that there is only one person in the anti illegal movement who can tie my physical presence with my screen name without lots of footwork (a couple on the pro illegal side might have me nailed down)

I don't have your personal experience or personal investment and therefore my thought might be naive and simplistic or presumptuous and intrusive: work with whomever you can work with, and cut the rest in the clear.

wetibbe · #2 08-21-2010, 03:59 AM

The above is typically what I have seen time and again, over and over, with the majority of these Minuteman/Patriot groups.

Someone takes exception to something someone said or did and the contentious arguments begin degenerating into splits and the eventual failure of the groups or individuals.

Rim05 · #3 08-21-2010, 05:31 AM

Actually, we do not even know that the emails come from Coe her self, but rather someone who takes care of those matters.
I think about Jeff S*******, whose name I cannot ever spell. What has anyone here ever done to him?

One person on the old SOS, posted some very nasty things about me, ON THE FORUM. I have moved on, I choose to not even remember that person.

Look at all the 'guests' who read this forum, do you think they are friends?

Ayatollahgondola · #4 08-21-2010, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rim05

Actually, we do not even know that the emails come from Coe her self, but rather someone who takes care of those matters.
I think about Jeff S*******, whose name I cannot ever spell. What has anyone here ever done to him?

One person on the old SOS, posted some very nasty things about me, ON THE FORUM. I have moved on, I choose to not even remember that person.

Look at all the 'guests' who read this forum, do you think they are friends?

I'm sure that's Coe.

Sure the guests are friends. Most anyhow. They are standing on the perimeter so they can gather warmth and security when they need it, but still be able to say, "I wasn't with them" if something goes badly for us

PochoPatriot · #5 08-21-2010, 08:16 AM

My God, this is pathetic! This evil triumvirate (Nightingale, Coe & Schwilk) are their own echo chamber! They are acting like the Mechistas they claim to fight against! This is ironic! I have been called a "traitor to my 'race' by those that are supportive of open borders because I choose to think for myself. I have been call a La Razaist because I had serious questions about the candidacy of Congressman Ron Paul, and refused to stay quiet about it.

Nightingale is nothing but a liar and parasite. A person with this sort of character is someone I would expect to be a politician in one of the southeast Los Angeles county cities that have been in the news so frequently.

AG, is the documentation regarding her dealings with Frank available at one place? And if so, can you provide a link? I have a number of friends on Facebook that support Nightingale's gubernatorial candidacy, and need to be made aware of this situation.

Ayatollahgondola · #6 08-21-2010, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

AG, is the documentation regarding her dealings with Frank available at one place? And if so, can you provide a link? I have a number of friends on Facebook that support Nightingale's gubernatorial candidacy, and need to be made aware of this situation.

Yes, but there's more to be uploaded soon:

http://publicdocumentdistributors.co...read.php?t=414

Eagle1 · #7 08-22-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rim05

Actually, we do not even know that the emails come from Coe her self, but rather someone who takes care of those matters.
I think about Jeff S*******, whose name I cannot ever spell. What has anyone here ever done to him?

One person on the old SOS, posted some very nasty things about me, ON THE FORUM. I have moved on, I choose to not even remember that person.

Look at all the 'guests' who read this forum, do you think they are friends?

Rimo5 I assure you the email came through Barbara's email account. In order to make sure of everything I have emailed Barbara asking for an explanation of the accusations and such which I will post here if ever she does answer.

Barbara has most definitely bought into someone's line of BS.

Eagle1 · #8 08-22-2010, 09:09 AM

"I think about Jeff S*******, whose name I cannot ever spell. What has anyone here ever done to him?"

No one has to do anything to Jeff and no one has. It all began when davi was upset over how he had been treated on the old SOS and produced a video asking for justice. Jeff jumped in and threatened him with the "power" of the SoCal Patriot coalition put together by Chelene and of which he is the unelected "leader".

After seeing Jeff's attempted bullying of Davi i took the AVIMM group out of that coalition. The ugliness and manner in which Schwilk answered Davi's civilized call for justice was unacceptaqble to me.

Today Jeff is after me because of a legal issue involving his friend and myself.

From the time that SOS.info was first put on the web there has been an effort to discredit it's validity and to silence it
because someone fears it.

Eagle1 · #9 08-22-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ilbegone

I just don't understand what I view as the lunacy of power struggles, maneuvers for position, and character assassination in the anti illegal immigration movement.

I was never involved with Coe, Swilk, or the vast majority of the others. I never met Chelene, but Chelene did try to run me off the old board. And she was vicious about it.

The "anti American" invective is just one version of an old smear tactic. "If you don't agree with my narrow perspective you're anti-American!!!", or queer, back stabber, Benedict Arnold, molester of small bovines, incestuous, immoral, criminally inclined, sell out, and so on and on...

I don't have personal ties with those people, and I don't care what they might think of me. I sometimes feel very fortunate that there is only one person in the anti illegal movement who can tie my physical presence with my screen name without lots of footwork (a couple on the pro illegal side might have me nailed down)

I don't have your personal experience or personal investment and therefore my thought might be naive and simplistic or presumptuous and intrusive: work with whomever you can work with, and cut the rest in the clear.

I know I am using "I agree with you" quite a bit in this thread but I must use it again. I want no problems with anyone and generally I shine it on anyway. The matter becomes a different one when character assassination is involved. if someone declares that John Doe is a child molester, an agent provocateur or such, I believe it wise to counter the allegation so as to leave a rebuttal that others can look at.

Having at least countered the accusation then it is indeed time to move on and I have sometime back cut ties with Barbara Coe, Jeff Schwilk and Chelene Nightingale. Jeff to this day has posted some very derogatory and untrue things about me and quite a number of other activists in his San Diego Minutemen website under "patriot warnings". Besides myself he has Davi Rodriguess, SZ, Raymond Herrera, Britt and Deborah Craig listed as
people the SDMM find to be unacceptable to them and who they will not work with. In truth the listing is offensive in that all the folks I mentioned are dedicated anti-illegal immigration activists.

I do not intend to get caught up in the nonsense of back and forth accusations. I agree with you whole heartedly. I do think that it is wise to let everyone know what is being done though.

Rim05 · #10 08-22-2010, 02:28 PM

I am not disagreeing about any thing you are saying. It is just that I was always out there doing all the things we started doing when Joe first started SOS. I was friends to everyone and even if I was not too fond of a person, That person was one of Us and I never said any thing bad about them.
Long before old SOS folded I could see that some people were out to get others.
It shows how petty todays leaders are. They have a coalition and 'we better not show up at their picnic. Who here ever said they wanted to even be with them. The last event Jean organized at AA some did all they could to make it a failure. I was warned that I did not know what a snake pit I was getting in when I was posting on FBIS.

I wonder if those people ever realize how much damage they are doing to the movement as a whole.