Arizona Leading the March Back to Sovereignty

[usa today]

It doesn't matter

Already the lawsuits are flying fast and furious

Its only a matter of time before some lib judge in the pocket of mexico
puts this law on ice

We all know it will sit in limbo forever , just like 187 in Calif

THE INVASION MARCHES ON

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by usa today

It doesn't matter

Already the lawsuits are flying fast and furious

Its only a matter of time before some lib judge in the pocket of mexico
puts this law on ice

We all know it will sit in limbo forever , just like 187 in Calif

THE INVASION MARCHES ON

I trust you won't be applying for our morale officer position?

[wetibbe]

I think the atmosphere is different now in Arizona compared to California's Prop 187. According to reports it was Gray Davis that sank the California Prop 187, not some liberal judge.

People are mad. Already Arizonian militias have mobilized.

I look at Massachusetts, the most liberal of liberals, and they just passed laws more forceful than Arizona's.

Now over a dozen states are considering laws like Arizona's.

The Arizona law is written differently. It should be bullet proof. If not the Militias will keep on doing what they are doing.

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by usa today

It doesn't matter

Already the lawsuits are flying fast and furious

Its only a matter of time before some lib judge in the pocket of mexico
puts this law on ice

We all know it will sit in limbo forever , just like 187 in Calif

THE INVASION MARCHES ON

USA, you've got to start thinking positive! We've got the majority on our side, it's just a matter of time before people get fired up enough to push these laws past all the liberals and bleeding hearts who keep standing in our way.

[usa today]

Phil
I'm always positive , I'm positive that they will judge shop until they find one that will strike down this law or put it on hold forever

What I am seeing is that even Arizona is wimping out , the law on the books that has been lacking in this whole debate is that ANYBODY AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON CAN BE ASK FOR PAPERS.

You have la raza , mecha , lulac and a hundred others screaming its racial and not a matter of law enforcement, they believe that if your hispanic you should be immune from all US laws.

You have the churches and unions screaming full tilt in favor of the illegals

Our govt from the Pres on down are in full defense of the illegals

I believe that all of them are traitors to this country.

I still believe that until we call the problem what it is , we don't have a chance of fixing it. We just keep kowtowing to PC and remain scared of our own shadows ,scared of being called racist , scared of public perception (when 70% of the public agree with us)

If a gang of grey haired grannies are robbing banks , you profile grannies
If 12 million illegal hispanics are breaking your immigration laws , YOU PROFILE THE DAMN HISPANICS

Am I wrong?

[LAPhil]

No, you're not wrong about anything you said except possibly for the part about a judge permanently striking down the law. I think that even if that were tried the decision would be appealed, except in this case you wouldn't have the governor of the state dropping the appeal as Gray Davis did with Proposition 187 in California. And I believe what you meant about a law requiring anyone to have to show papers at any time is that the law already exists. If that's not what you meant please correct me, because I may not have understood you correctly. The Arizona law only mirrors existing federal law and in fact doesn't even go as far in its intrusiveness, but very few people seem to know that. And I certainly do agree with you about how many of us are limiting our efforts by being afraid of being called racist, fascist, neo-Nazis, etc. In the public perception there's a very thin line between enforcing the law and being a police state.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by usa today

If a gang of grey haired grannies are robbing banks , you profile grannies
If 12 million illegal hispanics are breaking your immigration laws , YOU PROFILE THE DAMN HISPANICS

Am I wrong?

Yes. Your simplistic answer leaves out illegals from Ireland, Haiti, China, etc. The Homeland security people, or any governmental agency is not allowed to focus on a race when applying the law.
Thankfully you're not in a position to design criteria for law enforcement, else I might be sitting in jail or along the roadside 'splainin' myself instead of conducting billboard events, protests, or rallies.

[ilbegone]

As I understand it, the only argument which could be successful against the Arizona immigration law is whether immigration enforcement is the sole domain of the Federal government, as is printing money and the like.

With all the precedent of the states cooperating with the Federal government concerning immigration, it would have to be a question of whether enforcement cooperation is merely permitted by the feds or whether the states have the self governmental right to enforce mirrored Federal law.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

As I understand it, the only argument which could be successful against the Arizona immigration law is whether immigration enforcement is the sole domain of the Federal government, as is printing money and the like.

With all the precedent of the states cooperating with the Federal government concerning immigration, it would have to be a question of whether enforcement cooperation is merely permitted by the feds or whether the states have the self governmental right to enforce mirrored Federal law.

The federal government is the only one who can enforce immigration law. What Arizona is doing is police power, which our constitution does not allow the federal government to do.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

The federal government is the only one who can enforce immigration law. What Arizona is doing is police power, which our constitution does not allow the federal government to do.

The Feds have done quite a bit of policing over the last two hundred years, whether it is constitutional or not.

In the matter of immigration law, the government has chosen not to enforce.

For example, the executive employee at ICE coming out on record that ICE won't process illegal aliens Arizona detains.

After I heard that, I made it clear to my elected representatives that if a government employee refuses to do his job, it is insubordination and that person needs to be fired.

I also made it clear that that if elected officials had no interest in seeing to it that government employees do the job they were hired to do, there was no real reason for those officials to continue with federal employment as well.

They can't keep the lid on the immigration issue much longer, and however it is resolved it's my belief that there will be quite a few formerly secure politicians unhorsed over the couple of elections over the issue.