Illegal immigrants "multiply like rats."

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Why is he apologizing? I think that's a pretty accurate assessment of the situation. The demographic statistics certainly bear that out.


Tennessee Considers Arizona-style Law

Tennessee is considering a law similar to SB 1070 in Arizona, where officers, like Tucson's Angel Ramírez, shown here talking to a mother and her daughter, are allowed to inquire about suspects' immigration status.
Tennessee’s legislators plan to consider a bill next year styled after Arizona’s SB 1070, even though the state already has strict laws targeting illegal immigrants.

State Sen. Bill Ketron and Rep. Joe Carr, both Republicans, are preparing a bill that criminalizes illegal immigrants and authorizes local law enforcement authorities to detain “any person” suspected of being in the country unlawfully. “You can’t deny how [illegal immigration] is affecting us, from education to healthcare to the judicial system to incarceration, and more importantly the number of jobs it’s taken away,” Ketron said.

Like Tennessee, other nearby states, including North Carolina and South Carolina, have expressed an interest in starting out the new legislative session in 2011 reviewing measures similar to the law in Arizona, the first in the nation to criminalize being in the country unlawfully. Tennessee, where foreign-born people account for roughly four percent of the total population, already has restrictive measures that will take effect on January 1.

The most controversial is SB 1141/HB 670, which requires local jails -- despite no training, funds, supervision or access to federal immigration databases -- to verify the immigration status of all those detained. There is also a measure that allows businesses to insist that employees speak only English for “security and efficiency.”

During the vehement debate over the implementation of SB 1070 in Arizona, a group of Tennessee legislators sent a letter to that state’s governor, Jan Brewer, praising her for signing the bill into law.

Recently, another Tennessee legislator, Republican Curry Todd, who supports strict immigration measures, gained notoriety when he said that illegal immigrants “multiply like rats.” Todd later apologized for the comment, but maintains his opposition to illegal immigration.

[Ayatollahgondola]

State Sen. Bill Ketron and Rep. Joe Carr, both Republicans, are preparing a bill that criminalizes illegal immigrants and authorizes local law enforcement authorities to detain “any person” suspected of being in the country unlawfully.

I think this is where we start to fail. I wonder if it would be best to leave this out, and insert precise language detailing what would trigger an immigration check, ie...presenting false ID, possession of expired visa or passport, lack of drivers license when stopped while driving, etc. Why bring aboard all the ambiguous and obviously tainted baggage of "suspected of"?

[ilbegone]

Recently, another Tennessee legislator, Republican Curry Todd, who supports strict immigration measures, gained notoriety when he said that illegal immigrants “multiply like rats.” Todd later apologized for the comment, but maintains his opposition to illegal immigration.

He could have worded it a little better, regardless of whether it's the truth or not. On the other hand, some people do read far more into a statement than what is meant. Politics is politics, one is bound to step on the occasional pile of doggy doo from time to time. The trick is to not let others smear it through the house on the politician's behalf.

I think this is where we start to fail. I wonder if it would be best to leave this out, and insert precise language detailing what would trigger an immigration check, ie...presenting false ID, possession of expired visa or passport, lack of drivers license when stopped while driving, etc. Why bring aboard all the ambiguous and obviously tainted baggage of "suspected of"?

If it's related to probable cause that a crime or infraction (of any sort) has been committed and everyone gets the same scrutiny, there's nothing to bitch about.

It is a violation to not present ID (or present false ID) when asked by an LEO after being stopped for a malfunctioning tail light or expired tags. Let's run some fingerprints and talk to the nice 187g man.

[Twoller]

At this point "suspected of" is the most plausible way of explaining the situation. If you can't speak English, you can't be a US citizen and need to be able to show to law enforcement at any time proof that you are in the country legally. If you can't, you should be suspected of being an illegal immigrant. If you do speak English and don't have a driver's license, checking to see if you are in the country legally should be routine, every time. There should be some way of doing this. If English is a second language in this case, this also should qualify somebody as being suspected of being an illegal immigrant.

If you are driving without a driver's license, this is a serious crime and even if law enforcement is not obliged to investigate legal status of the driver at the scene, then somewhere somebody in law enforcement needs to be able to find out what it is.

Law enforcement is bound to be careful of what they mean when they say "suspected of". They are bound to use the phrase in a context far different then the way we use it in common language.

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Recently, another Tennessee legislator, Republican Curry Todd, who supports strict immigration measures, gained notoriety when he said that illegal immigrants “multiply like rats.” Todd later apologized for the comment, but maintains his opposition to illegal immigration.

Is there really a friendly way to describe the way that immigrants, legal or otherwise reproduce in this country? It is almost as though they have children as an act of vandalism. The pop them out in a frenzy and then they drape them all over the place, in schools, on the streets and it's like they are saying, "See? What are you going to do about it? Nothing!" It is an act of contempt. And then people brag about how they are "family oriented". Sorry, my idea of raising a family suggest a little more reflection on the needs of the children and illegals clearly imagine that this is not their problem.

[Ayatollahgondola]

gained notoriety when he said that illegal immigrants “multiply like rats.”

Maybe he meant to say "they muliply like democrats"

[ilbegone]

Recently, another Tennessee legislator, Republican Curry Todd, who supports strict immigration measures, gained notoriety when he said that illegal immigrants “multiply like rats.” Todd later apologized for the comment, but maintains his opposition to illegal immigration.

Originally Posted by Twoller

Is there really a friendly way to describe the way that immigrants, legal or otherwise reproduce in this country? It is almost as though they have children as an act of vandalism. The pop them out in a frenzy and then they drape them all over the place, in schools, on the streets and it's like they are saying, "See? What are you going to do about it? Nothing!" It is an act of contempt. And then people brag about how they are "family oriented". Sorry, my idea of raising a family suggest a little more reflection on the needs of the children and illegals clearly imagine that this is not their problem.

There wasn't any mention of being friendly. However, the comment was tacky in my view. And there are people with thin skinned agenda who will run with it, and others who want to chirp from the other direction.

For some people, having sex is the only entertainment they have, and obviously that's not just limited to far back woods people in Louisiana or Mississippi.

For decades sex was the entertainment I wanted most out of many entertainments available to me - I couldn't get enough. That combined with overwhelming curiousity which went beyond my household about the subject is a substantial portion of how I became a divorcee. However, I had the foresight to get a vasectomy after fathering two children.

I don't believe Mexican nationals generally have a plan beyond tonight, unless it involves a party on the weekend. So, I don't believe illegals collectively have a conscious plan to rub gavacho noses in their large families, children happen. The out breeding whites idea comes from pretend Mexican "Latino activists" who are Americanized and educated enough to actually agree on a long range plan involving someone else, not a bunch of worn out Mexican women with too many children to feed, clothe, and chase after.

And it doesn't help that the Vatican has only within the last couple of weeks come around to the notion of using condoms to prevent HIV, not pregnancy.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

. However, I had the foresight to get a vasectomy after fathering two children.

Perhaps you castrated an innocent man.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Perhaps you castrated an innocent man.

Just took the bullets out of the gun was all.

And usually wherever you find a cheatin' man you'll also find a cheatin' woman - who is not necessarily the cheater's spouse, although that's a common reaction in my belief.

[wetibbe]

That statement is inaccurate !

Humans, homo sapiens, have a gestation period of 9 months ! The reccord for one birth period is Octomom !

Now look at the rat productivity and statistics:

Rats multiply so quickly that in 18 months, two rats could have over a million descendants.
One pair of rats has the potential for 15,000 descendants in a year.
A female can produce up to twelve litters of twenty rats a year.
Male and female rats may have sex twenty times a day.
The rat has been called the world’s most destructive mammal - other than man.
Rats destroy an estimated 1/3 of the world’s food supply each year.
25% of all fires of unknown origin are rat-caused.
26% of all electric cable breaks and 18% of all phone cable disruptions are caused by rats

*( Writers note: Male and female rats may have sex 20 times a day but only the female human "putas" that work in bordelos do it as many times. I really don't think the campesino hombres can sustain such a pace - borracho or not ! ).

[wetibbe]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

I think this is where we start to fail. I wonder if it would be best to leave this out, and insert precise language detailing what would trigger an immigration check, ie...presenting false ID, possession of expired visa or passport, lack of drivers license when stopped while driving, etc. Why bring aboard all the ambiguous and obviously tainted baggage of "suspected of"?

Here's Federal Law that has been posted many times:

Enforcement

A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time, and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third-party complaints that have a reasonable probability of validity. Designated INS officers and employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal aliens.

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrant less interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer's consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.


And here's citizen recourse:

RICO -- Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, AND CAN INCLUDE NONPROFIT ASSOCIATIONS.

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As I keep on repeating, Comprehensive Immigration Reform is a nondescript term that has a subliminal, secret meaning that liberals keep on using but won't explain. It's like Obama's campaign comment - "change". But Change meant Socialism/Marxism.

Comprehensive Immigration Laws are; #1. Rearranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic. #2. Code word for amnesty.

Any "new" laws are simply disingenuous because we already have all of the laws we need. They are simply not being enforced. So the Reid/Pelosi version of CIR is to gut the existing laws, get rid of them and open the flood gates to rampant chaos everywhere.