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Old 02-28-2010, 09:02 AM
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Save Our State anti-illegal immigration group seeks to distance itself from white supremacists
By Jonathan Randles
Signal Staff Writer

The organization opposed to illegal immigration that has held two rallies in Santa Clarita in less than two months has struggled with an image problem since 2005: Members or others sometimes post racist comments on the group's message boards and occasionally show up at protests with racist messages.

Organizers for Save Our State said racism is not what their group is about, and they fear white supremacists harm the group's reputation.

"We got a lot of people in (SOS) of mixed races, or full-blooded races, that pass off as minorities these days," said Davi Rodriguez, who leads SOS out of Sacramento.

Trying to figure out who is racist on SOS' many message boards is often difficult, he said.

"You get these people who join the organization, they don't tell you who they are," Rodriguez said. "But then you strike a nerve with them and they would blurt something on the message boards."

Weeding out SOS members who could be white supremacists is a challenge, Rodriguez said.

"You don't want to go on a Nazi hunt in your own organization," Rodriguez said.

Save Our State has a set of rules and guidelines that clearly state it does not allow racism on message boards, but those rules don't always appear to be followed.

"Although we allow people to discuss race issues (on the message boards), we don't condone the white supremacist stuff," said Jean, a Fillmore resident who has organized two SOS rallies in Santa Clarita, including Saturday's rally.

She declined to provide her last name, citing concerns about personal safety.

SOS does its best to distance itself from racist organizations, but it must respect free speech rights, Jean said.

"We don't want to ban people as long as (what they're posting) is not real racist," she said. "We try to keep an eye on them. We put them in a restricted area so they can only go in that area and post."

Jean said she has been to several SOS rallies and only saw white supremacists at one, held in Simi Valley. SOS members tried to distance themselves from the skinheads at the rally by having them move into a parking lot across the street during the protest, she said.

Heidi Beirich, director of research at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said some of the posts on SOS message boards - not all of them in the restricted posting area - expand on white supremacist ideology.

An SOS member posted this message describing illegal immigrants in his community on Nov. 30: "From my personal observations and experience living in the trenches with them, the majority of them are brain dead ignoramuses coming here for as many freebies and subsidies they can get and will use any criminals means they can to get what they want. They're violent, arrogant, dishonest and anti-American."

Beirich said that post, like several others on the site, is blatantly racist.

"This comment is just plain old racism," Beirich said in an e-mail. "Ascribing slurs and demonizing adjectives to an entire population is simply that: racist."

The organization's site has thousands of posts that cover a wide range of topics - including one thread about the NFL. Members of SOS often disagree whether a post is appropriate or racist.

"People will see what they want to see. I don't pigeonhole people in certain categories," Jean said. "The idea that we are all right-wing religious nuts is wrong. We are a wide swath of what the country is."

Several other SOS posts say illegal immigrants could overwhelm native Californians - something similar to white supremacist ideology, Beirich said.

"White nationalists like to argue that immigration from Latin America is leading to white racial suicide and therefore should be stopped," Beirich said in an e-mail.

The goal of the rallies is not to get people talking about race, Rodrguez said, but to get people talking about illegal immigration and to bring new members into the organization.

"We look for people who feel the same way we do," Rodriguez said. "We want to gather up like-minded people and teach them before people on the other side teach them wrong."
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Old 03-01-2010, 06:02 PM
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This is exactly the thing I've been talking about - the stuff said on the message board that will be used against the goal of the United States actually enforcing immigration law:

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Heidi Beirich, director of research at the Southern Poverty Law Center, said some of the posts on SOS message boards - not all of them in the restricted posting area - expand on white supremacist ideology.

An SOS member posted this message describing illegal immigrants in his community on Nov. 30: "From my personal observations and experience living in the trenches with them, the majority of them are brain dead ignoramuses coming here for as many freebies and subsidies they can get and will use any criminals means they can to get what they want. They're violent, arrogant, dishonest and anti-American." http://saveourstate.info/showthread.php?t=466

Beirich said that post, like several others on the site, is blatantly racist.

"This comment is just plain old racism," Beirich said in an e-mail. "Ascribing slurs and demonizing adjectives to an entire population is simply that: racist."
They (the media and the SPLC) are not going to quote these next two entries:

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As someone else who lives in the trenches with them I also see the same exact things you do. And that's exactly how my roommate Rose describes them also, and she's Hispanic. She said she couldn't stand living around them after they moved in the neighborhood were she grow up. She said is was mostly Whites (poor Whites) while she was a kid, then the Mexicans/illegals moved in and the neighborhood became a barrio. She knows the difference saw what a hell hole it became. Being poor doesn't make you trash, it's what you do that makes you trash and that's what we have in the barrios, trash. http://saveourstate.info/showthread.php?t=466
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I've said it before, but the original barrio in San Bernardino was clean 40 years ago. When the new arrivals began moving in, many of the inhabitants sold out and moved into white neighborhoods.

A couple of years ago I worked with a retired Ventura County Sheriff who's parents were Mexican. His view was that it used to be that Mexicans came here to provide for their families, but now most come here now to get in on the relative gravy train, to sponge up all the freebies they can.

A Mexican from Guadalajara told me the other day that there are lots of women and children who have been abandoned in Mexico by fathers and husbands who have came to America. He also told me that there is a number of "undocumented" Mexican women with children in So. Cal. who are looking for white men: it seems they are looking for a relationship with legitimacy and security that a "Latino" can so easily lie about.

Maybe the words "Sugar Daddy" could apply to some of it.

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It's my belief that if you are frustrated with all the negative things which have happened since the 1981 recession concerning illegal immigration, maybe you need to watch your words. Whatever your motivation, they (the media and others) are not going to quote anything from SOS which shows an understanding of the viewpoint of illegal aliens and their illegal migration yet demands enforcement of immigration law because of the damage illegal migration has done to my America over the last forty years. However, the contrary will immediately be pounced on and exploited.

As well, if one has an overwhelming need to refer to illegals AND American citizens with Latin American ancestry in all generations of citizenship in a blanketed derogatory manner as well as put forward an idea that one needs to blindly harden one's heart towards everyone with Latin American ancestry while demanding the merciless hounding of them all, It's my belief that /those person(s) need(s) to sh** the Fu** up" because those words will be seized on and used against the goal of immigration law enforcement.

Again, it doesn't help that some put forth in a blanket manner that "Hispanics" do this or do that without clarifying which "Hispanics" are involved in doing this or that.

It is further my belief that, despite all the media bias and the "Latino advocates" (who arrogantly presume to speak for everyone else) the media seems to be in bed with, that there are many American citizens with Latin American ancestry who would be receptive to the message if it were not for the fact that much of the commentary seems to include them for deportation along with illegal aliens

One more time, for what it's worth.
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As well, if one has an overwhelming need to refer to illegals AND American citizens with Latin American ancestry in all generations of citizenship in a blanketed derogatory manner as well as put forward an idea that one needs to blindly harden one's heart towards everyone with Latin American ancestry while demanding the merciless hounding of them all, It's my belief that /those person(s) need(s) to sh** the Fu** up" because those words will be seized on and used against the goal of immigration law enforcement.

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The minute that anyone opposed to the international immigration problem starts mincing their words so as not to offend the defenders of illegal immigration, then they might as well give up. The only reason they assume an offended position is because they know that opposition to illegal immigration requires a conscience. Having a conscience makes you vulnerable in a way that the open borders will never be. They have no conscience. It is a fake pose carefully calculated to manipulate those who do have a conscience.

If you are angry, if you wish to stand up and speak in no uncertain terms and give words to your anger and outrage, you have an obligation to your conscience to do so. Your only responsibility is to stand by your words and show some reflection and integrity. That's all. Ignore people who tell you to "Shut the f**k up". Ignore people who won't even pretend to care what you are actually saying

I'll say it again. Illegal immigrants need to be hunted down and thrown out. Nobody who does not have permission to be here should imagine they have a moment's peace. Not them, not their children, not their grandparents. Nobody. This country is not a nursery nor a retirement home nor a hospital for anyone sneaking accross the border. "Shut the f**k up"? Get the f**k out. Now.
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The minute that anyone opposed to the international immigration problem starts mincing their words so as not to offend the defenders of illegal immigration, then they might as well give up. The only reason they assume an offended position is because they know that opposition to illegal immigration requires a conscience. Having a conscience makes you vulnerable in a way that the open borders will never be. They have no conscience. It is a fake pose carefully calculated to manipulate those who do have a conscience.

If you are angry, if you wish to stand up and speak in no uncertain terms and give words to your anger and outrage, you have an obligation to your conscience to do so. Your only responsibility is to stand by your words and show some reflection and integrity. That's all. Ignore people who tell you to "Shut the f**k up". Ignore people who won't even pretend to care what you are actually saying

I'll say it again. Illegal immigrants need to be hunted down and thrown out. Nobody who does not have permission to be here should imagine they have a moment's peace. Not them, not their children, not their grandparents. Nobody. This country is not a nursery nor a retirement home nor a hospital for anyone sneaking accross the border. "Shut the f**k up"? Get the f**k out. Now.
I know exactly what you are saying, and this is what I see:

1) An old film clip which documented a WWII German officer beating an old Jewish man to the ground, beat and kicked him some more, then killed the old man with a pistol.

2) The guys who unfurled a Nazi flag at an SOS rally some years ago, whether they came from the National Socialists seeking to embarrass SOS for spurning them or were part of the far left seeking to discredit SOS's efforts concerning illegal immigration.

What do you do besides run your hate spewing mouth?

I will guarantee you one thing, and it's certainly a promise. If you or any of your buddies show up on my doorstep with your racist attitude, you will receive an unpleasant education as to why you should have reconsidered your itinerary.

I never thought I ever would say anything like I am saying to you at SOS.
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The minute that anyone opposed to the international immigration problem starts mincing their words so as not to offend the defenders of illegal immigration, then they might as well give up. The only reason they assume an offended position is because they know that opposition to illegal immigration requires a conscience. Having a conscience makes you vulnerable in a way that the open borders will never be. They have no conscience. It is a fake pose carefully calculated to manipulate those who do have a conscience.

If you are angry, if you wish to stand up and speak in no uncertain terms and give words to your anger and outrage, you have an obligation to your conscience to do so. Your only responsibility is to stand by your words and show some reflection and integrity. That's all. Ignore people who tell you to "Shut the f**k up". Ignore people who won't even pretend to care what you are actually saying

I'll say it again. Illegal immigrants need to be hunted down and thrown out. Nobody who does not have permission to be here should imagine they have a moment's peace. Not them, not their children, not their grandparents. Nobody. This country is not a nursery nor a retirement home nor a hospital for anyone sneaking accross the border. "Shut the f**k up"? Get the f**k out. Now.
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The minute that anyone opposed to the international immigration problem starts mincing their words so as not to offend the defenders of illegal immigration, then they might as well give up. The only reason they assume an offended position is because they know that opposition to illegal immigration requires a conscience. Having a conscience makes you vulnerable in a way that the open borders will never be. They have no conscience. It is a fake pose carefully calculated to manipulate those who do have a conscience.

If you are angry, if you wish to stand up and speak in no uncertain terms and give words to your anger and outrage, you have an obligation to your conscience to do so. Your only responsibility is to stand by your words and show some reflection and integrity. That's all. Ignore people who tell you to "Shut the f**k up". Ignore people who won't even pretend to care what you are actually saying

I'll say it again. Illegal immigrants need to be hunted down and thrown out. Nobody who does not have permission to be here should imagine they have a moment's peace. Not them, not their children, not their grandparents. Nobody. This country is not a nursery nor a retirement home nor a hospital for anyone sneaking accross the border. "Shut the f**k up"? Get the f**k out. Now.
Animals are hunted, not people. Please tone down your posts, and don't use the excuse of political correctness. You're getting very close to crossing the line.
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I know exactly what you are saying, and this is what I see:

1) An old film clip which documented a WWII German officer beating an old Jewish man to the ground, beat and kicked him some more, then killed the old man with a pistol.

2) The guys who unfurled a Nazi flag at an SOS rally some years ago, whether they came from the National Socialists seeking to embarrass SOS for spurning them or were part of the far left seeking to discredit SOS's efforts concerning illegal immigration.

What do you do besides run your hate spewing mouth?

I will guarantee you one thing, and it's certainly a promise. If you or any of your buddies show up on my doorstep with your racist attitude, you will receive an unpleasant education as to why you should have reconsidered your itinerary.

I never thought I ever would say anything like I am saying to you at SOS.
What do you do besides lie about what I am posting? When you constantly pose me as a Nazi, you are lying. There is nothing in what I have posted anyhwere, absolutely nothing to suggest a comparison with Nazis. And then you tell me to "Shut the f**k up". You have already crossed the line.

I insist that the administrators here do something about it. These kind of false accusations are exactly the same strategy applied by the open borders crowds and I think this is what this guy is, just a subversive trying to incite hysteria against me, somebody who has demonstrated in posts over and over again complete opposition to racism and violence of any kind, anywhere.

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Animals are hunted, not people. Please tone down your posts, and don't use the excuse of political correctness. You're getting very close to crossing the line.
Again, this is a hysterical accusation. You most certainly hunt criminals down. This is the job of law enforcement and especially the immigration authorities and this is what needs to be done to illegal immgrants. They need to be hunted down and thrown out.

Don, go hurl yourself off a cliff. You have already shamed yourself by insisting that people attending a Ku Klux Klan meeting is something to find encouragement in. Now you are trying to iincite trouble against me by posing sympathy for my posts. We have nothing in common, you know it and you are also lying by posting as if we do.

Is there nobody posting here with an ounce of integrity or sincerity? Is it all just deception and spin?
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Some food for thought, Twoller:


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the enemy is seen as being evil in all possible ways, with the implied and often express message that he should be physically eliminated. This is perhaps the most important distinction between these extremist movements and moderate opinion. The latter can muster respect, no matter how grudging, for a common humanity of the opponent while the former will make no such allowance. http://www.fringegroups.com/2008/06/...tribution.html
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How does one rationalize murder in their own mind? How are they able to get to the point where they become OK with taking another life?

The answer unfortunately, is simple – they have to dehumanize the subject in their own to the point where they feel as if they aren’t taking a life. http://outtheotherear.wordpress.com/...towards-murder
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The propaganda machine portrays the victim group as less than human. In Rwanda, the Hutus called their Tutsi neighbors 'cockroaches.' In Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge said their victims were "worms." To the Nazis, Jews were "vermin."

Dehumanization is the most powerful psychological tool used in all mass murder and genocides, Zimbardo said. "Dehumanization blurs your vision. You look at these people and you do not see them as human."

Instead, the enemy is treated as a germ -- as something to eradicate, or else face the threat of infection.



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The above quotes very well describes your mode as well as what you actually do have in common with Don despite the denial:

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Don, go hurl yourself off a cliff. You have already shamed yourself by insisting that people attending a Ku Klux Klan meeting is something to find encouragement in.
Twoller, you might as well just suit up and torch the cross - You have all the qualifications to fit right in with the white sheet brigade.
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In Nazi Germany, the descriptive word was "Vermin":

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Hunt them down and throw the little rats out before they commit any crimes.
Just about all the bases concerning old time Nazi propaganda were hit in this one:

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The same thing is true with the anchor baby filth. The idea is to pour this fillth on to the heads of public, contemptuosly and with a tide of corruption in our legal system. This is intended to demoralize citizens away from reaction.


It is most important to react and to tailor your basic reflections away from acceptance and towards complete alienation from those who falsely claim US citizenship. Every second of every day of every week of every year. Always. Harden your heart against the fraudulent citizens that are being belched up every day onto your feet, true citizens. Spit on them in your very souls.

Govern yourselves and conduct yourselves in a civil manner, but give the scum absolutely nothing. Not the time of day, not even a brick if they are drowning.

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A biased reply concerning "Hispanics" who are American citizens as if they were all knuckle dragging child molesting troglodyte illegals straight from Mexico:

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Sure, they consider themselves social conservatives in a sort of neanderthal reactionary way. All we have to do is look at Mexico itself and how people live there as an example of what they are talking about, we don't have to wait for some pollster to define it. The age of consent, for example.
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Now "mindless and souless" as well as universaly stupid:

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An excellent point.The working class culture of the US has little place for a drudge and the subversives in our society engineer jobs specifically to make space for these mindless, souless people crawling over our borders.

Leaf blowers are for those too stupid to know how to use a rake or a broom.

http://saveourstate.info/showthread.php?p=5566#post5566
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Wow! Pretty strong stuff you wrote there Twoller.


When are you going to publish your first book?

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