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Twoller · #1 08-23-2010, 08:35 AM

We need term limits for all federal positions and a single term only.

Imagine if the Obamination could only look forward to one term.

DerailAmnesty.com · #2 08-23-2010, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Twoller

We need term limits for all federal positions and a single term only.

Imagine if the Obamination could only look forward to one term.

One term limits would make elected politicians immediate lame-ducks. Why would they worry about reelection consequences for their unpopular actions?

Further, I don't think our current president is the greatest example to illustrate your point. Has Obama seemed overly concerned about doing unpopular things during his stay in the White House? Do you think he would be less inclined to act in such a fashion if he knew he'd only have the job until 2012?

Twoller · #3 08-23-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

One term limits would make elected politicians immediate lame-ducks. Why would they worry about reelection consequences for their unpopular actions?

Further, I don't think our current president is the greatest example to illustrate your point. Has Obama seemed overly concerned about doing unpopular things during his stay in the White House? Do you think he would be less inclined to act in such a fashion if he knew he'd only have the job until 2012?

The idea that elected officials need the prospect of a second term to keep them in good behavior is a popular canard. Actually, it is the quest for the second term that has got a lot of our presidents in trouble. Nixon and Watergate, Kennedy in Houston.

Everyone agrees that limiting the presidency to two terms is a good idea. Limiting it to a single term is even better.

The longer an elected official stays in power, the less good behavior they need because the longer they stay, the more they entrench themselves in the office. Their behavior becomes less and less visible and it becomes easier and easier for them to re-elect themselves.

We really have a rich supply of real citizens that are just as capable and just as interested in making some short contribution to the office. Four years or so is plenty of time for somebody to make a contribution if they want to do more than get elected another term. And a steady stream of new faces in the office and looking at the office lowers the learning curve for the US public in trying to figure out what the heck is going on.

How can people worry about the power of politicians and then argue that they need an endless future of more opportunities to squat in the office screwing the public?

Federal term limits and the criminalization of asking party affiliation for purposes of voter registration. These are two things that would revolutionize politics in the US. For the better.

Twoller · #4 08-23-2010, 02:41 PM

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Further, I don't think our current president is the greatest example to illustrate your point. Has Obama seemed overly concerned about doing unpopular things during his stay in the White House? Do you think he would be less inclined to act in such a fashion if he knew he'd only have the job until 2012?

Look again at what you are saying. Would he be less inclined? Or more inclined? What's the big deal over a little less or a little more? He still doesn't belong there. What more would he be inclined to do in four years that would be worse than what he will do with eight? And since his presidency is already as sadistic as it is, where is your argument that a second term is important for enticing "popular actions"?

DerailAmnesty.com · #5 08-23-2010, 05:11 PM

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Look again at what you are saying. Would he be less inclined? Or more inclined? What's the big deal over a little less or a little more? He still doesn't belong there. What more would he be inclined to do in four years that would be worse than what he will do with eight? And since his presidency is already as sadistic as it is, where is your argument that a second term is important for enticing "popular actions"?

You said Imagine if the Obamination could only look forward to one term.

How would term limits impact his conduct? How do you think things would be better, in regards to our current president? You clearly think it would be an improvement, regarding this particular individual, b/c you wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise.

What have I missed here?

Twoller · #6 08-23-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Twoller

We need term limits for all federal positions and a single term only.

Imagine if the Obamination could only look forward to one term.

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Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

You said Imagine if the Obamination could only look forward to one term.

How would term limits impact his conduct? How do you think things would be better, in regards to our current president? You clearly think it would be an improvement, regarding this particular individual, b/c you wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise.

What have I missed here?

I guess what I should have said was "Imagine if we could look forward to only one term for the Obamination."

The way I see it, the prospect of another term does little to nothing to the behavior of an elected official who actually cares about the office. Of course it doesn't make that much difference for somebody with complete contempt for the office either. Obama is not going alter his behavior too much one way or the other if he couldn't look forward to a second term.

DerailAmnesty.com · #7 08-23-2010, 07:53 PM

OK, thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. We're on the same page.

Listen, if it makes you feel any better, I think Obama will turn out to be a one-term president. He simply doesn't have much feel or concern for where the thoughts/priorities of the governed are.

The problem, however, is that I think the long-term damage is already done and will be next to impossible to undo. To his "credit," he promised change and, boy, has he delivered.

Twoller · #8 08-24-2010, 07:42 AM

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OK, thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. We're on the same page.

Listen, if it makes you feel any better, I think Obama will turn out to be a one-term president. He simply doesn't have much feel or concern for where the thoughts/priorities of the governed are.

The problem, however, is that I think the long-term damage is already done and will be next to impossible to undo. To his "credit," he promised change and, boy, has he delivered.

Do you then support term limits? How do you feel about removing party affiliation from voter registration?

Where do you see long term damage from Obama's term so far?