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Old 12-18-2010, 08:27 AM
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Exclamation We won another round folks!!!

Dream Amnesty fails in Senate!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 12-18-2010, 08:47 AM
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This is the best Christmas present any of us could ask for! God Bless America!
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Old 12-18-2010, 09:30 AM
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I agree, it is indeed the supreme Christmas present.
Now let us see what the Reps will do after Jan 5. Do you think illegal immigration will be enforced then? I doubt it will be.
PS: DON'T FORGET TO THANK THOSE WHO VOTED NO.
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Old 12-18-2010, 10:00 AM
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What I've noticed is that after this failure of the Nightmare Act, all of the papers are calling them Illegal Immigrants, not undocumented or just immigrant students etc. Yet their sympathizers are still claiming they'll try again.






Senate Republicans Block DREAM Act for Illegal Immigrants
Opponents of Illegal Immigration Claim Victory With Repeat DREAM Act Failure
Senate Republicans today blocked a controversial immigration measure that would have provided a conditional path to legal residency for hundreds of thousands of young, undocumented immigrants first brought to the U.S. illegally by their parents. By a vote of 55 to 41, the bill -- the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors, or DREAM Act -- failed to win the 60 votes needed to break a GOP filibuster, even though the measure passed the House last week.
The defeat was the second for the legislation since 2007, when it last was brought to the Senate floor. Opponents have argued that the bill amounted to an "amnesty" that could cost taxpayers and encourage continued illegal immigration.
"We are declaring a 10-year victory," said Roy Beck, president of Numbers USA, an advocacy group that has lobbied against the DREAM Act. "Since 2001, there has been an attempt to pass giant amnesties every year. And we have been on defense, we have fought every single year. And now there's not going to be any amnesty in this new Congress. It's over."
Supporters of the DREAM Act had said it would bring out of the shadows a fraction of the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants who have known only the United States as home, enhance military recruitment and give American employers access to a talented and highly-motivated pool of young workers.
Only immigrants younger than 30 who entered the United States before age 16, have lived here five years without a serious criminal offense, graduated high school or earned a GED and attend college or join the military among other requirements, would be eligible for legal residency.
The Congressional Budget Office estimates between 300,000 and 500,000 undocumented immigrants could benefit from the DREAM Act. President Obama said in a statement that he was "incredibly disappointed" by the vote.
"It is disappointing that common sense did not prevail today," he said. "But my administration will not give up on the DREAM Act, or on the important business of fixing our broken immigration system. The American people deserve a serious debate on immigration, and it's time to take the polarizing rhetoric off our national stage."
But many Republicans, including six who voted for the measure in 2007, expressed skepticism of any show of leniency towards undocumented immigrants without enhanced immigration enforcement provisions. They say the bill rewards criminal behavior and could cost taxpayers millions of dollars while doing little to address the lagging U.S. economy.
"This bill is a law that at its fundamental core is a reward for illegal activity," Alabama Republican Sen. Jeff Sessions said.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., claimed that Senate Democrats were only pushing the bill so late in this session of Congress for their own political gain.
"To those who are bringing this bill up today, I know why you're doing it. You're not doing it to advance the issue. You're doing it to advance your situation politically," Graham said.
DREAM Act Supporters: 'It's Not Over'
The bill's projected cost or benefit to taxpayers had become a focal point on both sides of the debate ahead of the expected vote.
The CBO report estimated that one version of the bill would reduce the deficit by $1.4 billion in the first decade because of increased tax revenue from immigrant residents.
But the same study also projected the bill could add between $5 billion and $20 billion to the deficit by 2060 due to additional benefit program costs.
Opponents also warned it would add to competition for already scarce U.S. jobs. "There are some compelling cases out there that deserve to be considered. But there are also 22 million Americans who have compelling cases, who want a job and can't find a job," Beck said. "What the DREAM Act does is add at least a couple million more workers to legally compete against the 22 million unemployed Americans."
"I realize these kids did not personally decide to break the law. Nonetheless, they represent law-breaking. How do you keep parents from doing this to their kids in the future? The DREAM Act does nothing about that," he said.
Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., one of the leading sponsors of the DREAM Act, had said opponents of the measure are breeding "hysteria" and that lawmakers must not overlook the costs of doing nothing.
"Let us consider the alternative to legalizing DREAM Act-eligible young people," he said last week. "The young men and women eligible for the DREAM Act will still live here but can only take jobs in the black market, probably cannot afford the high costs we charge foreign students for a college education, and are barred from serving in the military."
Gutierrez said Saturday that the Senate vote will hurt Republicans politically among Latinos, and that Democrats won't give up on the issue.
"This was a setback to the core values of liberty and the pursuit of happiness in the United States," he said. "These Senators hid behind lame procedural excuses to thwart the hopes and aspirations of the best and brightest of our families and communities, which is both a tragedy and a call to action."
The Senate vote was a last-ditch effort by Democrats to pass the measure before Republicans take control of the House and gain seats in the Senate come January. The bill will likely not receive another shot at passage for at least two more years.
But Ali Noorani, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, insists the fight for the DREAM Act will continue.
"I just don't think the GOP is ever going to see the inside of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue without the support of immigrants, and this legislation is very important to them," he said. "It's not over."
Three Republicans supported the bill today: Dick Lugar of Indiana, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Robert Bennett of Utah. But five Democrats voted against it: Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Jon Tester of Montana, Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Max Baucus of Montana and Kay Hagan of North Carolina.
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Old 12-18-2010, 11:16 AM
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I will be waiting to see what happens.
A couple of weeks ago I saw L. Gutierriz on TV, he said if the DREAM act failed they would go to civil disobedience. They will disrupt, protest, block buildings etc.

He said the civil rights of the 60s did not ask for permission to demonstrate, they just did it.

Dummy did not stop to think, 'they' were legal American Citizens.

Have you ever seen any Hispanic who could not go to any school.
Who could not sit anywhere on a bus he/she has paid a fair to ride?
Who could not sit in any waiting room?
Who could not purchase a home where ever he/she had the money to purchase it?
Who could not drink from any water fountain?
Could not sit in any seat in a theater?

The list goes on, BTW, has one ever been blown away by a fire truck hose for trying to do any of the above things?

I will wait to see what congressman will stir up.

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Old 12-18-2010, 11:43 AM
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After DREAM Vote, Immigration Reform Unlikely This Year
• Hopes of immigration reform this year were basically ended on Saturday. There's no other way to put it.

Democrats came five voes short of passing the DREAM Act, which would give young illegal immigrants the chance to obtain green cards by going to college or serving in the military.

Trying to overcome the 60-vote threshold to end debate and advance to a final vote, Democrats came up short. What's perhaps most troubling is that five Democrats voted against the bill. They were: Jon Tester (MT)
• Max Baucus (MT)
• Kay Hagan (NC)
• Ben Nelson (NE)
• Mark Pryor (AR)
Three Republicans voted in favor of it:
• Bob Bennett (UT)
• Dick Lugar (IN)
• Lisa Murkowski (AK)
Four senators did not vote:
• Jim Bunning (R-KY)
• Judd Gregg (R-NH)
• Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
• Joe Manchin (D-WV)

There is little chance that the DREAM Act will come back for a vote before the year is over. "If you aren't going to vote for it now, there is no reason to think you would vote for it later on," said one Senate aide.

Time has run short on immigration reform during Democrats' time in power in Washington. Though President Obama promised swift movement toward comprehensive immigration reform during his first year in office, chances of comprehensive reform waned as the time and political energy of Washington were sapped by the stimulus, health care reform, energy reform, and financial reform.

At least one of the Democratic "no" votes was motivated by philosophical opposition to the bill. "Illegal immigration is a critical problem facing our country, but amnesty is not the solution. I do not support legislation that provides a path to citizenship for anyone in this country illegally," Tester said yesterday.

If passed, the bill would open the door for young illegal immigrants to obtain green cards after a 10-year waiting period. After an initial grace period for immigrants under 30 to apply for DREAM Act status after the bill's enactment, illegal immigrants would have one year from the date they graduate high school or earn a GED to pay a $525 application fee and seek "conditional nonimmigrant" status while they attempting to complete two years of college or serve two years in the military, without the benefit of Pell grants, in-state tuition, and other forms of federal student aid other than loans. They would have to prove they entered the country at age 15 or younger, were contiguous U.S. residents for five years, and have no significant criminal record, among other requirements. After five years, they would pay a $2,000 application fee to apply for continued "conditional nonimmigrant" status. During this phase, they would not be eligible for health care subsidies under Obama's new reform law. After 10 years, they could apply for a green card and permanent legal residency, provided they completed the two years of college or military service in good standing.

U.S. immigration officials were planning on an initial wave of 700,000 eligible applicants, based on outside estimates.

The door, it seems, has closed on immigration reform for the time being. With the last push for comprehensive reform failing in 2007, the DREAM Act was an interim half-step that could have provided reform advocates with something significant, yet short of a comprehensive bill.

If immigration reform is to happen in the next two years, the administration will have to work it out with a GOP-led House. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...is-year/68245/
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Old 12-18-2010, 12:57 PM
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The only way this, or any other bill granting "amnesty" or a portion of it can be passed is if the citizens sit on their hands and allow it. Every time this crap comes up my fax machine gets hot.
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