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Old 09-03-2010, 08:20 AM
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If you are so concerned about the legal status of the Valdez family, why don't you quit seeking third and forth hand guesses and go straight to the source?

Go to Laredo and look the family up.

Don't be chickenshit afraid to confront them as you have stated should be done with people who fit your profile of undesirables.

Go ahead, pound on their door. Tell us what you learn about them.
You haven't ****ed yourself yet? What are you waiting for?
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Old 09-03-2010, 10:18 AM
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You haven't ****ed yourself yet? What are you waiting for?
Of course I have. Are you asking me for a copy of the home movie?

What I'm really waiting for is for your hummingbird posterior to load up your alligator mouth for a trip to Texas to "confront" Edgar Valdez's family concerning their legal status.

However, it's a safe bet that rather than gassing up the rig and heading out on a road mission, you'll just clack in another post.
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Old 09-03-2010, 01:45 PM
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Mexico's Drug War Hits Historic Border Cantinas

Aug. 16, 2010 | John Burnett | National Public Radio

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The Kentucky Club is three blocks from the international bridge connecting Ciudad Juarez and El Paso, Texas. It has lost more than 75 percent of its clientele due to people fleeing violence in the area, the owners say.

The country's drug violence has ruined border tourism and forced residents in border cities to flee. Three famous Prohibition-era border bars, all founded in the 1920s, are in jeopardy. Survival has meant paying off local thugs for security, and paying employees out of pocket.

Mexico's drug cartel war has killed more than 28,000 people in four years, but some of the collateral damage has not been as noticeable. A trio of famous, Prohibition-era cantinas in Mexican border cities, having survived more than 80 turbulent years, are in deep trouble.

On a recent weekday, a headline in Mexico's El Diario newspaper screams: "Juarez is the Center of the Country's Narco-War." That can't be good for business at the Kentucky Club, a venerable saloon that's been here since 1920, three blocks from the international bridge that connects Ciudad Juarez and El Paso, Texas.

"Actually, in these times, the wave of violence here in Juarez is tremendous," says Raul Martinez, who has been the doorman at the Kentucky Club for 25 years. "Before, we had to turn people away, we were so full -- $10 or $20 wouldn't get you in. Now, I wish we had customers."

Organized Crime

Outside the tavern, federal police with ski masks and assault rifles patrol the streets of Juarez, a city of more than 1 million people. Inside, the white-jacketed, one-eyed bartender walks over to the jukebox and punches in a Sinatra tune for two tables of customers who are sipping the bar's potent margaritas.

It's estimated that one-fourth of the people of Juarez have fled the city, which has been overrun by organized crime and logs a murder every three hours, on average. The Kentucky Club estimates it has lost more than 75 percent of its clientele.

The nightclub boasted visits by Marilyn Monroe, John Wayne and then-actor Ronald Reagan, among others. Those glamorous days are long gone. Like many businesses in drug-war-torn Juarez, Raul the doorman says the Kentucky Club has to pay a cuota, or extortion, to local thugs just to keep the doors open.

"In a way, I feel calm because we pay the cuota not to have problems," he says. "Many businesses have been burned and shot up. But here, they protect us and the customer, because we pay."

'No Business, No Nothing'

Hundreds of miles downstream, the Mexican city of Ciudad Acuna sits across the river from Del Rio, Texas. In the incandescent August heat, a cab driver waits for a fare.

"Look in the street, nothing. No business, no nothing," he says.

His taxi is parked in front of what used to be the most popular bar and restaurant in town: Mrs. Crosby's, also founded in the 1920s.

Acuna is not a war zone like Juarez, but it's not the sleepy town it used to be. In May, after a state police commander was murdered, reportedly by mafia hit men, the Del Rio police chief urged people to stay out of Mexico. They have.

Crosby's co-owner, Gabriel Ramos, a 62-year-old architect, says he can't go on indefinitely paying his 22 employees out of his pocket.

"We have 87 years here, and something like this has never, ever happened. You can see," he says to a reporter who is his only customer.

How much longer can he survive? "I don't know. I think one more month, two more months. No more," he says.

Mrs. Crosby's is like a museum. The place still has the original floor tile and barstools. The walls are hung with pictures of Mexican revolutionaries, bullfighters and its namesake, Mrs. Garza Crosby. George Strait even mentions the establishment in a song lyric: "In a bar in Acuna called Ma Crosby's, I found myself not feeling any pain."

Suffering All Around

Border tourism was suffering even before the cartel war exploded.

Security measures after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks slowed traffic on international bridges. That was followed by the global economic downturn and the swine flu outbreak. Border businesses like dental offices and curio shops have been struggling.

But these historic cantinas are irreplaceable, says Tom Miller, a Tucson-based author and longtime denizen of the border.

"They're not a whole lot more than watering holes," he says. "But because of their longevity, and because they're passed down generation to generation, they have become institutionalized. There's a certain aroma that's lost if these three bars die."

For one bar, it's already too late.

A sign taped to the door of the famed Cadillac Bar, which opened in Nuevo Laredo in 1926, says it is "temporarily closed" as of Aug. 1. Nuevo Laredo -- across from Laredo, Texas -- has experienced a new spasm of violence between the Zetas gang and the Gulf cartel. A few months ago, someone tossed a hand grenade into the U.S. consulate.

A parking lot attendant on the corner says he'll be surprised if the Cadillac reopens.

"There's no future now," he says.
Interesting ... speaking of Al Capone ... These places were set up in the twenties in response to the Prohibition of Alcohol. Which means that similar criminal activity was occuring on the US side of the border, especially in places like Laredo Texas. Especially in nightclubs and bars.

Well established crime figures like to set up their kids like they were middle and upper class heroes. They are football stars, get good grades. The Kennedy model.
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Old 09-03-2010, 02:39 PM
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Interesting ... speaking of Al Capone ... These places were set up in the twenties in response to the Prohibition of Alcohol. Which means that similar criminal activity was occuring on the US side of the border, especially in places like Laredo Texas. Especially in nightclubs and bars.

Well established crime figures like to set up their kids like they were middle and upper class heroes. They are football stars, get good grades. The Kennedy model.
You did just as I thought you would. No trip to Texas for you.

Some prohibition era bars in Mexico pay out protection money and pay employees cash or are closed. And there's lots of drug violence in Mexico.

So, what's new?

And not a one of those bars is in Laredo.

Here's your train of thought:

Corruption and violence in Mexico attaches itself to people with Spanish last names -> all people in America with Spanish last names are either illegal aliens or anchor babies -> those same are all barbaric criminals who smuggle cocaine into America and are responsible for hundreds - if not thousands - of dead people in Mexico.

How about JFK's father with the same train of thought?

Joe Kennedy (Edgar Valdez) runs to Ireland (Mexico) allegedly because Massachussetts (Texas) cops are shaking him down for bribe money. Winding up in a Dublin (Mexico City) Jail, Kennedy (Valdez) meets a booze smuggling (drug smuggling) Irish Capo (Mexican Cartel boss Arturo Beltran Leyva) who bribes them both out of jail. Kennedy (Valdez) stays illegally in Ireland (Mexico) and rises to the top of one of several gangster organizations, where he (he) murders indiscriminantly while smuggling booze (smuggling drugs) into the US until he is captured by Irish (Mexican) police.

And everyone in the United States with an Irish (Spanish) last name is either deportable or a mass murderer.

Or you can flip it over, and one of Valdez's bastard children will become president of the United States.


Is that stuff over the counter?


Meanwhile, you still have someone in Texas to harass concerning citizenship.
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Old 09-04-2010, 11:53 AM
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The town of Laredo is clearly the key in understanding "La Barbie". Everyone concerned about illegal immigration should know our border towns very well, especially on the southern border and their history too.

Here is Wikipedia's entry on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laredo

And here is some older discussion here at SOS on subjects where Laredo comes up incidentally:

Top Five Most-Crime-Ridden U.S. Judicial Districts All on Mexican Border

Mexican Troops Arrest Suspect in the Killing of US Consulate Worker

MECha's Plan: The Plan of San Diego
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The town of Laredo is clearly the key in understanding "La Barbie". Everyone concerned about illegal immigration should know our border towns very well, especially on the southern border and their history too.

Here is Wikipedia's entry on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laredo

And here is some older discussion here at SOS on subjects where Laredo comes up incidentally:

Top Five Most-Crime-Ridden U.S. Judicial Districts All on Mexican Border

Mexican Troops Arrest Suspect in the Killing of US Consulate Worker

MECha's Plan: The Plan of San Diego
It's pretty hard to get worked up on the wiki link with entries like this:

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Annual festivals

The Washington's Birthday Celebration (WBCA)[33] is a month long event that celebrates George Washington's Birthday. It was founded in 1898 by the Improved Order of the Red Men, local chapter Yaqui Tribe #59. It is the largest celebration of its kind in the United States, with 400,000 attendees annually. The first celebration was a success, and its popularity grew rapidly; in 1923 it received its state charter. In 1924, the Celebration featured its first Colonial Pageant, which featured 13 young girls from Laredo, representing the 13 original colonies. The celebration includes parades, a carnival, an air show, fireworks, live concerts, and a city-wide prom during which many of Laredo's elite dress in very formal attire. The related Jalapeño Festival is one of the United States' top 10 eating festivals.

Jamboozie is held in late January in downtown Laredo as part of the Washington Birthday Celebrations. Similar to New Orleans' Mardi Gras, the Jamboozie is a colorful event, with many people dressed in beads, masks, and flamboyant outfits.
Edgar Valdez is smart and can fit in, a cunning opportunist.

It's not hard understanding what motivates Valdez. He likes women, the good life, "respect", and the money to buy it all with due to a chance encounter with Arturo Beltran Leyva.

If not for that meeting, he might still be in a Mexican jail waiting for someone to bribe his jailers.

If you want to understand Ted Bundy, you don't profile everyone he went to school with. Same with Valdez.

And if you want to understand a city you've never been to, it's best to go there and hang out for a while. Otherwise you'll just remain stuck in your basement clacking out proclamations and demands over the internet you have no intentions of involving yourself with.
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