Boehner raised the debt ceiling, will it now be easier to pass amnesty?

[Greg in LA]

Any thoughts on weather the passage of the debt limit increase in the House will increase or decrease the chances of amnesty passing Congress in 2013?

My observations are that the Republicans look weaker after all of this, they caved, got no concessions from Obama, and the Democrats stayed unified. Boehner passed the debt limit with a majority of Democrats and probably a few Rino's. Boehner couldn't have done it with Republicans so he passed the debt increase against the will of the majority of Republicans in Congress.

To me it makes Boehner look pretty bad, and I don't think it will get him more support to keep his speaker ship position.

Will Boehner now pile on his record as passing more legislation, like amnesty with a majority of Democrats and a minority of Republicans?

I think that will be hard for him to do.

It seems to me that the Republicans just ate a huge "crap sandwich" by funding Obama care, and eating more defeat and getting more hatred from the base, at this time by passing any type of amnesty is going to be much more difficult.

Am I missing something?

Is my understanding of the situation incorrect?

If you agree, or see the situation differently, please let me know your point of view.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Greg in LA

Any thoughts on weather the passage of the debt limit increase in the House will increase or decrease the chances of amnesty passing Congress in 2013?

My observations are that the Republicans look weaker after all of this, they caved, got no concessions from Obama, and the Democrats stayed unified. Boehner passed the debt limit with a majority of Democrats and probably a few Rino's. Boehner couldn't have done it with Republicans so he passed the debt increase against the will of the majority of Republicans in Congress.

To me it makes Boehner look pretty bad, and I don't think it will get him more support to keep his speaker ship position.

Will Boehner now pile on his record as passing more legislation, like amnesty with a majority of Democrats and a minority of Republicans?

I think that will be hard for him to do.

It seems to me that the Republicans just ate a huge "crap sandwich" by funding Obama care, and eating more defeat and getting more hatred from the base, at this time by passing any type of amnesty is going to be much more difficult.

Am I missing something?

Is my understanding of the situation incorrect?

If you agree, or see the situation differently, please let me know your point of view.

Greg,

I am involved in a rather encompassing event in my life right this minute, but I want to take a short stab at your questions. The answer, I believe, is yes. Yes it's going to be easier to pass it. But not because the republicans are weaker now. Actually this whole debt crisis has been postponed, but not solved. It's solution is either to raise taxes or cut spending. The only agreement that came about this week was to delay doing something. Anyway; the republican hierarchy wants so very badly to cripple this obamacare program. They want to do that badly enough that they might trade amnesty to Obama and the democrats for concessions on obamacare spending. I fear a grand compromise deal that gives the illegals a long term presence linked to a plethora of weak criteria for citizenship, and in turn, Obama surrenders a bunch of meaningless cuts to obamacare spending over a decade or so. Each side will claim victory, which would be true in the sense that they would compare to the alternative of defaulting on the debt. We, the peon indentured....uh....citizen, would get further screwed of course. The illegals would be getting screwed too, over time, but they'd believe they hit the jackpot and the power would go to their heads for a time.

Can this be stopped? Yes, it can. It will be hard though. We may have to put a lot more effort into beating down democrats as opposed to republicans, even though we have traditionally counted on republicans as being the best votes to influence. I think the democrats have had it far too easy for too long, in that sense.

[wetibbe]

Haven't you been paying attention.

Amnesty is already a reality. Maybe not in the form you want to recognize as legitimate but when you have illegitimacy and corruption to boot it's called a fait accompli.

"They" do it without Congress. "They're" unstoppable. Just look at the record. Immigration laws not being enforced, illegals already granted a 2 year stay, getting in State Tuition, drivers licenses, free hospital, food stamps, welfare, prenatal care, free schooling, free medical coverage, prisoners being released, border still wide open ad infinitim, Uncle Drunkle, and Auntie STILL Here living in public housing, using stolen ID, working, and the head honcho in the Oval office already got his amnesty. driving...................................... Oh, and Cities and Mayors running sanctuary's while Sheriffs like Joe Arpaio are being sued for enforcing the law.

It will keep getting worse until the end of the current administration in 2016.

I gave up on predictions after the last election. Predictions are too unpredictable. Wouldn't surprise me at all if we have ANOTHER illegal alien again as President and Commander in Chief.

I think you may have your expectations set too high. You are expecting it to be done in accordance with the Constitution. Well forget that. It's in the dark, under the covers, back room, slick, wormy...............................


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...urity/3003505/

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

Haven't you been paying attention.

Amnesty is already a reality. Maybe not in the form you want to recognize as legitimate but when you have illegitimacy and corruption to boot it's called a fait accompli.

"They" do it without Congress. "They're" unstoppable. Just look at the record. Immigration laws not being enforced, illegals already granted a 2 year stay, getting in State Tuition, drivers licenses, free hospital, food stamps, welfare, prenatal care, free schooling, free medical coverage, prisoners being released, border still wide open ad infinitim, Uncle Drunkle, and Auntie STILL Here living in public housing, using stolen ID, working, and the head honcho in the Oval office already got his amnesty. driving...................................... Oh, and Cities and Mayors running sanctuary's while Sheriffs like Joe Arpaio are being sued for enforcing the law.

It will keep getting worse until the end of the current administration in 2016.

I gave up on predictions after the last election. Predictions are too unpredictable. Wouldn't surprise me at all if we have ANOTHER illegal alien again as President and Commander in Chief.

I think you may have your expectations set too high. You are expecting it to be done in accordance with the Constitution. Well forget that. It's in the dark, under the covers, back room, slick, wormy...............................


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...urity/3003505/

I don't think anyone here has delude themselves into believing the illegals aren't being given quarter. But citizenship and permanent quarter.....that hasn't happened. We're all in purgatory of sorts right now. The difference between the purgatory of biblical fame and the one I refer to now, is that in the former one, it is god that decides, and here we still have the power, if we can muster it

[Greg in LA]

Your comment that Boehner might trade some sort of amnesty for some type of postponement of Obama care. It's not the first time that I've heard of this possibility. I've heard that scenario a couple of times before, so a lot of people must be thinking about it.

Time will only tell, but from my own vantage point I still can't see the Republicans piling on to their problems.

I'm no psychic though, and it's very hard for me to understand the thinking of most people.

I've said before that I think it's a near miracle that the giant amnesty hasn't been passed. Our opposition has all the money and virtually all the political and media power in their favor, but still enough Republicans are unwilling to slit their own throats.

[Greg in LA]

Here is an article that I read on Yahoo news.

http://news.yahoo.com/john-boehner-c...060600598.html

The article is aptly titled, "How to get John Boehner to cave".

The article raised some accurate points about how Boehner caves when there is a time limit to reach a deal, such as in hurricane Sandy, and the debt ceiling battles.

I don't see a time crunch in regards to amnesty, and poll after poll has shown the vast majority of Americans are hardly focused on it and a new NBC poll that I saw today showed over 52% of Americans are totally against any type of legalization for illegals.

In my opinion the article falls flat when it fails to show how "immigration reform" AKA amnesty would be a win for Republicans. The article try's to say that passing amnesty will by a big face saving win for Republicans when In fact it's quite the opposite. "immigration reform is very unpopular with Republicans and extremely popular with Democrats.

It's even more eye opening to see all the timely coordination and orchestration of new pro amnesty stories being released today in wake of the debt ceiling problem being out of the way for the moment.

If amnesty was so popular, why the need to have such a heavy handed coordination in broadcasting the pro amnesty point of view.

It also doesn't go unnoticed that as of my reading of the article there were around 2300 commentators, overwhelmingly anti amnesty.