Back to the Border 2011

[ilbegone]

Sad to say it is getting increasingly more and more difficult to get a straight story out of DHS, CBP, ICE and BATF. They are so busy spinning, deceiving, covering up that there is little credibility.

No wonder. Department of Homeland Security (CBP, ICE) and the Treasury Department (BATF) are cabinet positions reporting directly to the Spinner in Chief.

As is the Department of Justice, which has sued Arizona for attempting to do a job Obama forbids the feds to do, which is also the employer of civil judges presiding over the greatly understaffed Immigration Court system, and oversees the Federal Unit charged with investigating Judicial and Prosecutorial misconduct within the DOJ.

Head of the Labor Department Hilda Solis has cooked up this deal between cabinet departments:

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and the Labor Department have also come to an agreement, said Solis. ICE will suspend worksite immigration investigations for sites where the Labor Department is investigating labor disputes such as wage and hour, family and medical leave, discrimination or health and safety issues. http://blog.latinovations.com/2011/0...-on-hispanics/

It's outrageous enough that such a deal was made, but undoubtedly whenever ICE would get around to doing a workplace raid and and asks Hilda if anything is going on, there will undoubtedly be a "labor investigation" being conducted at that particular site.

This is why I say that unless errant politicians and non elected government employees are tarred and feathered while permanently exiled from public office, governmental employment, and employment as lobbyists, and until employers experience serious consequences for hiring illegals nothing will change.


There's a tremendous amount of governmental ass which needs to be profoundly kicked.


If the president were serious about immigration enforcement, the UAV's would be indispensable in ferreting out and apprehending hill top look outs which are said to be as far as 200 miles north of the border.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

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So far as the UAV drone aircraft are concerned, the past record of the Texas UAV,s according to reports, wasn't impressive. The actual hours flown were very low. Only a fraction of available hours. And apprehensions were rather dismal. Low numbers. Cost was high per man caught. It wasn't very cost effective. Boots on the ground were far more efficient and much lower cost with many more contacts. DHS put up 6 UAV"S recently, from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California but I haven't seen any reports of hours in air or apprehensions.

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Yes, the drones are no substitute for people on the ground or real barriers, even on the border with Canada.

We have to be very careful with Canada, many there have the same problems as Mexico and see the US as an international welfare state. Social dumping from Canada is also a problem.

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Getting border ops together is pretty tough these days. Money being the big obstacle. People used to have a little disposable income to spend on a weekend or 4 day deployment, but not these days. Plus, a lot of practiced border op people have moved away from the border. I'd like to see it, but it will be an uphill effort.

Yes, back to the border is definately and uphill effort.

I had a UPA friend who was sending money every month to one of the Minuteman groups and I suggested he stop since no one knew where the money was going to. it was clear the Minutemen organizations were raising millions of dollars but it wasn't getting to the field Operations.

American Patriots might contribute again if they knew an honest paymaster was getting the money to the men in the field.

Because border security in the name of the Minutemen was unsucessful the first time around doesn't mean that we should not attempt to secure our borders.

A future message to Patriotic Americans.
If you can't go to the border send money so those who can go are funded"
"If you don't have money to send then pray for those in the field and call and bug the hell out of your Congressmen and tell him that you want the Citizen Volunteers on the border replaced with U.S. Military.
"Doing Nothing Is Not a Solution"
Your either part of the solution or part of the problem.

It's time more American became part of our border solution.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Ronbass

"Doing Nothing Is Not a Solution"
Your either part of the solution or part of the problem.

It's time more American became part of our border solution.

Truly stated and firmly agreed.

However, I'm not going to the border for several reasons, nor am I discouraging any who want to go. It does make for visibility for the cause.

I believe the border is just one part of a large picture. I'm working on other parts of the picture which I believe has been unintentionally ignored. And, unless the dirt bag enablers of illegal migration in Washington are relegated to the dust bin of History never to return, there will never be border security and there will be no meaningful posting of troops on the border.

A future message to Patriotic Americans.

I have trouble with the word "patriot". Just what is a "patriotic American"?

The usage of "patriot" in much of the anti immigration movement in the last 6 - 8 years is "someone who jumps when I tell them and asks how high on the way up", and the opposite of a "patriot", ie "traitor to his country", is "anyone who doesn't 100% agree with me". Sort of has a manipulative, propagandist twist to it.

So how is someone being a "patriot" and "doing something" judged within yourself?

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

Truly stated and firmly agreed.



And, unless the dirt bag enablers of illegal migration in Washington are relegated to the dust bin of History never to return, there will never be border security and there will be no meaningful posting of troops on the border.

Agreed. Troops are needed on the border. And the enablers need to be replaced.
Maybe those who are willing to go to the border should be redirected to tracking down the enablers.
According to some information I have received since my previous post, I am retracting my suggestion that a do over of the Minuteman project be attempted.
Since the minuteman project kicked off in 2005 the border has become way to dangerous for groups of well intentioned citizen volunteeers.
The southern border needs to be militarized with U.S. troops with orders to shoot to kill all trespassers. And yes the enablers need to be dealt with first and replaced.
" Back to the Border in 2011 with US Military."

[Eagle1]

We will see real change when heads of the various government organizations are formally charged with aiding and abetting illegal aliens and for committing treason against the American people.

So far border ops are great for intel purposes but the real deal is to prosecute
politicians who are operating outside of their Constitutionally defined limits.

When we have attorneys (Where is FAIR on this?) willing to do this we will also come close to having a civil war on our hands.

Still, border ops are an invaluable means of bringing the truth to the American people.

[Bear Flag Republican]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

We will see real change when heads of the various government organizations are formally charged with aiding and abetting illegal aliens and for committing treason against the American people.

So far border ops are great for intel purposes but the real deal is to prosecute
politicians who are operating outside of their Constitutionally defined limits.

When we have attorneys (Where is FAIR on this?) willing to do this we will also come close to having a civil war on our hands.

Still, border ops are an invaluable means of bringing the truth to the American people.

I don't know where I'm jumping in on this. But I'd like to help with the BOG aspect of border ops. I have family in AZ and friends in OC / SD whom I could visit.

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

We will see real change when heads of the various government organizations are formally charged with aiding and abetting illegal aliens and for committing treason against the American people.

So far border ops are great for intel purposes but the real deal is to prosecute
politicians who are operating outside of their Constitutionally defined limits.

When we have attorneys (Where is FAIR on this?) willing to do this we will also come close to having a civil war on our hands.

Still, border ops are an invaluable means of bringing the truth to the American people.

Agree with everything you have said here.

FAIR Board of Directors seem like RINOS and don't want to upset too many apple carts.

Lawyers would sue if we showed them the money.

Seems the Immigration and Border Control movement is poorly organized and poorly financed.

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by Bear Flag Republican

I don't know where I'm jumping in on this. But I'd like to help with the BOG aspect of border ops. I have family in AZ and friends in OC / SD whom I could visit.

We need to find someone on the Border who is reliable and experienced in dealing with enforcement and border patrol agencies.

We can set up an organization right here on this board to move forward with setting up a small intel operation.

I have a friend who lives in AZ within ten miles of the border and I will get some suggestions if any.

Back to the Border 2011
Ron Bass
United Patriots of America.

[wetibbe]

Originally Posted by Ronbass

Agree with everything you have said here.

FAIR Board of Directors seem like RINOS and don't want to upset too many apple carts.

Lawyers would sue if we showed them the money.

Seems the Immigration and Border Control movement is poorly organized and poorly financed.

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I'm the New York State States Adviser to FAIR. And YOU know Susan Tully and Dan Stein very well. For my part I am very active under the covers and I shun public involvement with FAIRS actions. I rattle cages all the time. I invite you to beat up on Susan with any beefs. She's a sweetheart that likes you and will listen.

Bob Najulski is the East Coast Rep and he should contact you for discussions. Also Joyce Mucci is active and involved. Bob should show his face here.

For the matter of Minuteman actions, an Arizona legislator has said that he is interested in funding actions. Off the record I am promoting that and it is presently stewing. Needless to say we cannot entrust our donors dollars to the old regime. I have proposed that the AZ legislature reimburse patriots for certain expenses based on valid receipts. What I have said is that volunteers do not expect any salary or compensation for services on the line. However, meals, lodging and possibly airfare could be considered.

As to safety,I have two comments.

* Arizona big game hunters encounter the cartels in the out back. The hunters are armed. But there seems to be some understanding that the hunters are after game and not mules. So when they encounter each leaves the other be !

* The cartels are now becoming more aggressive providing armed escorts for the mules. Some may be coked up on their own product. If Minutemen do not try to impede them there will probably not be shootout. But it is very unpredictable. Past Minuteman rules of engagement were - no talk, no speak, not touch.

* It has to be understood that not everyone is a mule. CBP has a special team that rescues distressed illegals. Thus Minuteman border teams should recognise and distinguish the difference and evaluate the threats.