Riverside California Brown Berets vs NSM

[Eagle1]

Agreed that we are not the defenders of the NSM. Their philosophy is too "out there" and brings memories of Nazi death camps, terror and murder. I've never understood why they align themselves with a political philosophy that has an undeniably sordid past.

I've got nothing against white pride though. Everyone should be proud of who they are.

A very frightening consequence of the supreme courts decisions on race relationships is the undeniable fact that whites have been sacrificed by our government in order to accomodate other ethnicities.

Two wrongs don't make a right and it was stupid to take freedom from one group to give to another .

[DerailAmnesty.com]

The best thing that can be said about appearances by the NSM in SoCal is that, at least the usual imbeciles we commonly endure, who frequently bemoan bigotry and their victimization, actually get to confront and revile genuine racists.

Also, unlike the Brown Berets, Mexica-Movement types and other assorted pond scum who may have shown up in Riverside, at least the Skinheads have the intellectual integrity to admit their racist disposition/orientation.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

This will only get worse and maybe that's what needs to happen before the public realizes what our schools and government have done to brainwash so many of our citizens. What I see these NSM doing is simply portraying "what's good for the goose is good for the gander". If La Raza, MEChA, LULAC etc. can put themselves ahead of everyone else and proclaim the outlandish racist sentiment they do, then why shouldn't others be allowed to do the same. We all know two wrongs don't make a right, but why allow one wrong to go unstopped or unchallenged? This time the Brown Berets got a chance to see themselves in a mirror from the opposite side and they didn't like what they saw. Truth hurts when you have to confront it. What is so comical is that the Brown Berets look and act so much like the NSM that there's only the one small difference, their skin color.
I'm ambivalent about this confrontation. On the one hand, the racists on both side are an eyesore on society. Yet, it's really any eyeopener to the public to see them both so close together and see the close resemblance of the two together.

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

What is so comical is that the Brown Berets look and act so much like the NSM that there's only the one small difference, their skin color.
I'm ambivalent about this confrontation. On the one hand, the racists on both side are an eyesore on society. Yet, it's really any eyeopener to the public to see them both so close together and see the close resemblance of the two together.

I was just thinking something very similar, Jean. It seems to me there were Brown Berets making Nazi salutes at the last rally I attended.

[Eagle1]

The NSM, Stormfront and some of the other Nazi groups are of interest to me in that they are successful in recruiting young men and women....far more successfully than us or the Minutemen groups.

The question here is why?
Is it because of a racial identity crisis brought about by the Feds social engineering programs? Is it concievable that as the majority racial group they have come to the conclusion that they have been put on the governments sacrificial alter for its own purposes and are reacting out of an instinctive survival mechanism?

Young men and women could always join with us but we are multi-ethnic and profoundly anti-racist. This is a clue as to what is going on in these groups and they are not all the same.

The weirdness of it becomes apparent when one of them tells you that Hitler was a great man. That the holocaust never happened and that Jews are to blame for everything that has gone wrong.

We would be wise to consider a few things:
1. Keep Nazis at arms length but politely and respectfully. There can be no mixing of the two at any event that we hold. We are of a different philosophy entirely. If they appear at one of our rallies they should politely
be told to move a distance from us.

2. Understand that they are involved in the fight against illegal immigration
and are bravely stepping up just as we have. They have their own reasons and some of it is completely alien to our way of thinking.

3. In keeping dialog civil with these groups whenever we run across them
there is the possibility of straightening a few young minds out.

4. They are strong and brave and willing to fight and I like that since I believe that we will see social upheaval in the USA along ethnic lines with shots fired and violence in the streets. They, I believe are more in line with
being Americans than the violent opposition that has thrown things at us and even assaulted some of our women. For this reason I will respect them while holding on to my own set of values which differ greatly form theirs.

5. At a Baldwin Park rally years ago, about seventy of us showed up and were confronted by thousands of the opposition. Stormfront came and we did not know what to expect. There were a number of young men and women all white of course who were the constituents of this group.
An understanding was made between all of us and it worked fine. Everyone was relieved that Stormfront was there because it was beginning to look like Custer's last stand that day.

6. I agree with what AG has posted: that they identify themselves with a group in history that really was intimidating. Power is their claim, power to put fear into their adversaries by way of their chosen philosophy and its verifiable place in history. Understanding that equips us to deal with them.

7. I have never had my first amendment rights denied by any of these Nazis nor been attacked by them..I cannot say that about the militant Brown Berets and their associated groups.

It's a weird world anyway and it is concievable that we look just as strange to the Nazis as they do to us.

[Rim05]

I hate to think what this country will be like in 5 years, maybe only 2.

[Eagle1]

Originally Posted by Rim05

I hate to think what this country will be like in 5 years, maybe only 2.

I agree with you Rim05. I am very disturbed by what I see occuring in this country. A great deal of our financial and social stability is gone. What comes next can't be pretty.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

It's a weird world anyway and it is concievable that we look just as strange to the Nazis as they do to us.

Oh, they believe we are in denial

And I am closely aligned with your philosophy on this. I was of a mind that many young people that ended up in the nazi/separtist ranks because they lacked access to other options. Being a charitable corp, our mission is one of support, advocacy and education. I was thinking that we offer them another way to fight for their communities; one that recognizes American National rights above any racial ones. But we cannot allow them to use our corp as a tool of racial oppression or to further the goals or agenda that normally accompanies a racial supremacist or separatist organization. I think we might approach it as the clergy approach sinners ; We preach to them the evils of racism just as we do in the case of La Raza. But we don't let them come to our masses and recruit souls for the devil

[Eagle1]

[SIZE="3"]Yes by all means lets take the approach that they can be saved.
There is much in the Nazis to be admired but on the very face of it, it is a twisted, sick set of ideas that they hold at the heart of their movement.

The question is... how does one convince them of this?
There are so many good kids that have gotten into this Nazi thing.[/SIZE]

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

Agreed that we are not the defenders of the NSM. Their philosophy is too "out there" and brings memories of Nazi death camps, terror and murder. I've never understood why they align themselves with a political philosophy that has an undeniably sordid past.

It identifies them as that to be feared. They want strength they don't possess, so they wear a frightening mask to bolster their appearance. Capitalizing on some historical entity that grew into a force to be reckoned with is a common practice. Many of us reach into history too, but avoid that which is revolting. I've always wondered why those nazi types hang their hats on such a soundly defeated ideal.