Entitlement Abuse - Here, There, and Everywhere

[Merrilee]

You make some very good points here. I think that it is very likely that there are many who do abuse the system, but I think we need to work on identifying those individuals who legitimately do rely on these benefits to survive. In the case of the adult baby for example, I do think that this is someone that maybe deserves the benefits. What would we do with all of those who cannot take care of themselves if we suddenly pulled the carpet from under these folks? It is naive to think that we are separate from "those people", and that we can turn a blind eye to the challenges that they face. The reality is, that any one of us could find ourselves suddenly, and unexpectedly disabled, and without all of us looking out and taking care of each other, a simple disability can easily mean death, or at the very least, a miserable existence.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Merrilee

You make some very good points here. I think that it is very likely that there are many who do abuse the system, but I think we need to work on identifying those individuals who legitimately do rely on these benefits to survive. In the case of the adult baby for example, I do think that this is someone that maybe deserves the benefits. What would we do with all of those who cannot take care of themselves if we suddenly pulled the carpet from under these folks? It is naive to think that we are separate from "those people", and that we can turn a blind eye to the challenges that they face. The reality is, that any one of us could find ourselves suddenly, and unexpectedly disabled, and without all of us looking out and taking care of each other, a simple disability can easily mean death, or at the very least, a miserable existence.

That is what family is for. Your family should be responsible for you and vise-versa. There are family members being paid by the system to tend to their own family. Why should the tax payer be paying people to care for their own family? When I spoke to the person in charge of welfare fraud here in Ventura County, when I asked her if it was true that the fraud rate was about 30% she responded that it was much higher than that. If the fraud rate on income tax evasion were that high you can bet the Gov would be on it in seconds. But welfare fraud is attacking "the poor" so it's hands off. But if you've been inside some of the homes of those on welfare you'd often see high end electronics and new furniture. Not all of course, but enough to realize that our welfare system is being milked and there are plenty getting fat on the cream. To point to those who actually need a helping hand as a reason to continue this system is to completely ignore a system that is doing more harm than good. The system needs to be stopped and completely reexamined. There are a thousands of nonprofits that can be turned to if the need is that great. Those nonprofits get billions in grants and are often as corrupt as the welfare system, so why have both?

[Twoller]

The only people that should be receiving any kind of government money anywhere for any reason is if they are US citizens. Nobody else should be getting anything. If you are an immigrant to the US and have become a naturalized citizen and you can't take yourself, it is time for you to go back to where you came from. Naturalized citizens need to be excluded from welfare protection.

And always remember that welfare, for food and housing is just that. The problem starts with seeing it as an entitlement. Public welfare protects the public, the public being citizens. It protects citizens from poverty and it protects the rest of the citizens from the consequences of other citizens who, for whatever reason, are forced to live in poverty. The public should not have to tolerate homelessness. No citizen should have to worry about living on the streets or getting food to eat. And they shouldn't have to go begging for it from family or churches or anything like that.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Twoller

The only people that should be receiving any kind of government money anywhere for any reason is if they are US citizens. Nobody else should be getting anything. If you are an immigrant to the US and have become a naturalized citizen and you can't take yourself, it is time for you to go back to where you came from. Naturalized citizens need to be excluded from welfare protection.

And always remember that welfare, for food and housing is just that. The problem starts with seeing it as an entitlement. Public welfare protects the public, the public being citizens. It protects citizens from poverty and it protects the rest of the citizens from the consequences of other citizens who, for whatever reason, are forced to live in poverty. The public should not have to tolerate homelessness. No citizen should have to worry about living on the streets or getting food to eat. And they shouldn't have to go begging for it from family or churches or anything like that.

Anchor babies are US citizens and are using our welfare system as a lifestyle from generation to generation. Maybe where you live it isn't a impacting as it is here in California, but we sure see it. Maybe it's ok with you that these families game the system and are paid to tend to their own family members, but it's not ok with me.
Before welfare people took care of their own and didn't expect society to be responsible for supporting them while they tended to their children or parents, but today they have their hand out saying "I want to be paid by your tax dollars to tend to may family" and that seems to be fine with you.

What happen to being responsible? Welfare hasn't "protected" the public, it's destroying society as more and more shuck there responsibilities and expect others to support them. It doesn't "take a village" to raise a child, it takes two responsible parents!!!!!

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

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Maybe it's ok with you that these families game the system and are paid to tend to their own family members, but it's not ok with me.

Before welfare people took care of their own and didn't expect society to be responsible for supporting them while they tended to their children or parents, but today they have their hand out saying "I want to be paid by your tax dollars to tend to may family" and that seems to be fine with you.

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Where am I saying or even suggesting that all that is "fine with me"? I am saying no such thing. If you really think that I am, quote me. Copy and paste the parts where you think I am saying that, or take it back. Nowhere have I even suggested such a thing.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Twoller

Where am I saying or even suggesting that all that is "fine with me"? I am saying no such thing. If you really think that I am, quote me. Copy and paste the parts where you think I am saying that, or take it back. Nowhere have I even suggested such a thing.

Quote:Public welfare protects the public, the public being citizens. It protects citizens from poverty and it protects the rest of the citizens from the consequences of other citizens who, for whatever reason, are forced to live in poverty.

Welfare has not "protected" the public. It has created an underclass lifestyle that has gone on now for over three generations and continues to do damage to society, not protect it! Its become a handout, not a hand up.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

Quote:Public welfare protects the public, the public being citizens. It protects citizens from poverty and it protects the rest of the citizens from the consequences of other citizens who, for whatever reason, are forced to live in poverty.

Welfare has not "protected" the public. It has created an underclass lifestyle that has gone on now for over three generations and continues to do damage to society, not protect it! Its become a handout, not a hand up.

I agree. Welfare has not done anything to protect the public. But that is the purpose of welfare. That's why we have it and that's why we should have it. Pointing this out does not in the slightest support your accusations against me. You have absolutely no grounds for what you posted about me.

I agree that nobody should be raising children while living under welfare. If you are forced to live with public assistance, then you shouldn't start raising a family. If changing circumstances force your family to depend on public assistance, then you shouldn't have any more kids then you did when circumstances changed. And, let's face it, a lot people who are ineligible for public assistance can't afford to be raising families either and the cost of having kids is one of the things that make them eligible for public assistance.

And remember, we're talking about real citizens here. Not illegals, not immigrants and not naturalized citizens, none of which should be eligible for public assistance or any government money of any kind whatsoever. None of our government should be subsidizing immigration.