CCIR cites position on "new" SOS

[Borderwatch]

[QUOTE=Eagle1;3799]our former patriot champions, JOE TURNER or CHELENE NIGHTINGALE

CCIR has learned that some whom we believed were dedicated PATRIOTS, have betrayed our trust. CCIR will not support any of the "new" SOS efforts.

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My loyalty is to my country.

This attitude is why, despite decades of hard, admirable work, CCIR can not rise from being a small group with minimal influence.

[Ayatollahgondola]

[QUOTE=Borderwatch;3824]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

our former patriot champions, JOE TURNER or CHELENE NIGHTINGALE

CCIR has learned that some whom we believed were dedicated PATRIOTS, have betrayed our trust. CCIR will not support any of the "new" SOS efforts.

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My loyalty is to my country.

This attitude is why, despite decades of hard, admirable work, CCIR can not rise from being a small group with minimal influence.

Well, they did have influence, but it has waned. It's not necessarily the group that's at fault, but the manner it's being managed at present. If SOS can get back on its' feet, so can CCIR.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Again we see small mindedness and petty actions. No one organization or person can dictate to the public or their own members without losing some of their loyalty. This is something this organization has learned. There will always be people who will criticize others over petty things, thinking they're doing it for the good of others, but in reality they do it for their own feeling of superiority.

Chelene is nothing, just someone trying to use what she has available to her to try to get somewhere. Which in reality will be like a one hit band. In a short time no one will remember the song or who sung it. Barbara is like a promoter of someone with so little talent that she knows she has to shore Chelene up or Chelene will get knocked down before she's allowed to take even one step forward. I just don't put much thought or energy into anything Chelene does, because in a short time, as in today, no one really cares about Chelene and of Chelene's position on anything, or what and who will vote for her. She's going no where and her biggest fan is Chelene herself.


Barbara is dreaming of recognition for herself and CCIR through the few connections Chelene can talk her way into. But the majority of the public consider Chelene a fringe and that's where she'll stay. Barbara will really receive no loss no gain, but that too could also depends on how badly Chelene gets knocked out.

It is really too bad Barbara has taken this position, but it has no effect on our organization. Actually we had 3 CCIR members at the rally yesterday.

[Papoose]

This one is truly a shocker. It's really too bad that Ms. Coe would take this position and the probable reasons behind it. I always thought of her as someone who would take a side, but that it would be the side of principle. CCIR will still have my personal support in their functions -maybe.

[Eagle1]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

Again we see small mindedness and petty actions. No one organization or person can dictate to the public or their own members without losing some of their loyalty. This is something this organization has learned. There will always be people who will criticize others over petty things, thinking they're doing it for the good of others, but in reality they do it for their own feeling of superiority.

Chelene is nothing, just someone trying to use what she has available to her to try to get somewhere. Which in reality will be like a one hit band. In a short time no one will remember the song or who sung it. Barbara is like a promoter of someone with so little talent that she knows she has to shore Chelene up or Chelene will get knocked down before she's allowed to take even one step forward. I just don't put much thought or energy into anything Chelene does, because in a short time, as in today, no one really cares about Chelene and of Chelene's position on anything, or what and who will vote for her. She's going no where and her biggest fan is Chelene herself.


Barbara is dreaming of recognition for herself and CCIR through the few connections Chelene can talk her way into. But the majority of the public consider Chelene a fringe and that's where she'll stay. Barbara will really receive no loss no gain, but that too could also depends on how badly Chelene gets knocked out.

It is really too bad Barbara has taken this position, but it has no effect on our organization. Actually we had 3 CCIR members at the rally yesterday.

I have excellent reason to suspect that Chelene has influenced Barbara Coe
with respect to her prejudice against SOS.

We are not to bow down to any other organization. If we are to get anything done we must act. If other organizations don't like what we do they don't have to. We have no masters. We are independent of all other organizations
and this policy from CCIR regarding us is a good reason to never join a "coalition".

[Papoose]

Well said. And shame on those who would even allow their fellow patriots and friends (whom they've fought besides for years) to go into harm's way alone because of some BULLSHIT started by a few! Does ANYONE have any principles or courage anymore???

Originally Posted by Eagle1

We are not to bow down to any other organization. If we are to get anything done we must act. If other organizations don't like what we do they don't have to. We have no masters. We are independent of all other organizations
and this policy from CCIR regarding us is a good reason to never join a "coalition".

[Jeanfromfillmore]

I remember when we all marched together. No one was pointing fingers and refusing to participate. I have never had Robin or Raymond harm me or ever claim a different stance than me on illegal immigration. The fight between Gilchrist and others is THEIR FIGHT, NOT MINE. It is childish to expect others to join you in a squabble that they had nothing to do with. We are not a clique that draws a line and TELLS OTHERS who they should or shouldn't stand next to. I know who I don't particularly care for and yet that doesn't mean I won't stand next to that person if their enemy is my enemy. Our priority is fighting amnesty, not each other.

Barbara you're wrong on this one. We are not part of that clique. I understand you have your reasons but not everyone who associated with Gilchrist is on the wrong side. Remember, Barbara, you marched with him in Hollywood just as the rest of us did. What went down between you and Gilchrist should never have happened and he's paying a price for that. But I refuse to condemn others who were not part of that action. I judge them by their own actions, just as I judge you Barbara.

[Eagle1]

The effects of the Coe vs Gilchrist legal suite brought a tremendous amount of divisiveness to the movement. Some people refuse to let the issue die. Instead the divisiveness has spawned a number of proponents of "if you associate with them you can't associate with us". Of course anyone who does not abide is in some way publicly humiliated and declared to be a traitor.

I recall when Chelene made efforts to get a number of organizations together to "police" everyone. People were contacted about the content of their websites and with regards to things said or written thus a miniature version of "A New World Order" and a form of "PC" for the movement was instituted.

Stalinistic purges of the old Save our State were conducted by Chelene with
the result that good men and women were declared "moles", agents for the other side and such without end. I recall SZ, Old Preach and a host of others having been subjected to this insanity by a creature whose vanity and self dedication knows no limits.

The coalition, or SoCal coalition was born with the result that a number of folks were again contacted regarding 1st amendment issues. "Don't say this, take that video out, listen to us, obey, don't associate with him or her, we know what is good for the movement."

At the heart of all of that was and is Chelene.

What all of these people who are trying so hard to control everyone through acts of intimidation and humiliation need is a version of the Declaration of Independence served on them as a wakeup call for the disrespect and outright bullshit that they have put everyone through.

They have become an obstacle to the freedom of association needed in order to rally as we did once arm in arm with everyone.


People know when someone has limited their freedoms and put choker chains on them. It is an awful feeling to wake up and realize that you are under scrutiny and that action will be taken against you for associating, rallying or giving a speech with people whose organizational allegiance may be different than ours but whom are just as patriotic as the rest of us and who have repeatedly put themselves in harms way for our nation.

At SOS we have an opportunity to restore the integrity of this movement
and with all due respect to all of those "leaders" out there if you are an obstacle to the objective of unity because of your bad experiences with one another then just stay away and do your own damned thing.

[MowMyOwn]

Originally Posted by Borderwatch

My loyalty is to my country.

Exactly!

[4shadows]

It is sad to see the division is still going on as it does weaken what so many are trying to do, namely protect America. I agree my loyalty is to my country.

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