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Old 01-27-2010, 08:36 PM
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These charges surprise me.

If Iwere to present fraudulent ID, I could look forward to this sort of treatment.

But an illegal alien? Cut loose to skate every time I've known of, this is the first I've ever heard of such charges for anyone of this particular persuasion.
He most likely used someone elses light rail pass. . They really have been busting lots of light rail cheaters lately. I saw one here that owed some 20K in fines for that alone

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Old 01-28-2010, 05:31 PM
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I was skimming above and saw someone with, among others, a charge of possessing "Burglar's tools". What exactly are "burglar's tools"?

I was once watching one of those "Cops" shows, and they found a Klein plastic handled skinning knife in the back seat of the arrestee's car, about as worthless of a tool as there is for keeping an edge, but a tool specificly made for removing insulation from a conductor.

The cop turned it over in his hand and said something like "gosh, I don't know what it is, but it's a vicious weapon meant to hurt someone".

So, we have the officer's probable view that, particularly if he can't explain it, everything is a weapon.

Burglar's tools.

You can use a mattock for digging up roots, or break open a door. Maybe smash someone's skull while they're at it - a multi tasking device. Garden tool, burglar's tool, or weapon?

How about a backhoe? One can excavate and backfill as well as tear an ATM out of the wall at the bank.

Glass cutting tools can be used for all sorts of creative projects, as well as a sawzall. And so on.

So what exactly are "burglar's tools?"
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Old 01-28-2010, 05:43 PM
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I was skimming above and saw someone with, among others, a charge of possessing "Burglar's tools". What exactly are "burglar's tools"?

I was once watching one of those "Cops" shows, and they found a Klein plastic handled skinning knife in the back seat of the arrestee's car, about as worthless of a tool as there is for keeping an edge, but a tool specificly made for removing insulation from a conductor.

The cop turned it over in his hand and said something like "gosh, I don't know what it is, but it's a vicious weapon meant to hurt someone".

So, we have the officer's probable view that, particularly if he can't explain it, everything is a weapon.

Burglar's tools.

You can use a mattock for digging up roots, or break open a door. Maybe smash someone's skull while they're at it - a multi tasking device. Garden tool, burglar's tool, or weapon?

How about a backhoe? One can excavate and backfill as well as tear an ATM out of the wall at the bank.

Glass cutting tools can be used for all sorts of creative projects, as well as a sawzall. And so on.

So what exactly are "burglar's tools?"
Maybe a flashlight. That's what they all use in the movies.
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Notice that some have no other charges than federal?

Full house today as you can see:

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Sacramento County Inmate Information System
Inmate Name VILLALOBOS, GONZALO SERRANO
Aliases VILLALOBOS, MARTIN
SERRANO, GONZALO VILLALOBOS

X-Reference Number X-4605398
Booking/Registry Number 09460525
Date of Birth 06/08/84
Sex Male
Height 5'10"
Weight 180 lbs.
Visits used this week 0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Mailing Address Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Booking Date/Time 01/29/10 at 03:13 AM
Arresting Agency U.S.IMMIGRATION & NATURALIZATION-SACTO-CAPITOL MALL
Type of Arrest Federal Hold
Charges/Bail Case# Pending/NA(01) - Federal Hold
USC21-841
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Case# Pending/NA(02) - U.S. Border Patrol Hold
BP HOLD
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Total Bail Ineligible for Bail
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date None
Next Court Date No Court Dates Scheduled
Court Location & Dept. No Court Dates Scheduled
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Sacramento County Inmate Information System
Inmate Name SERRANO, ANTONIO J
(Pending I.D. Verification)
Aliases
X-Reference Number X-4605397
Booking/Registry Number 09460524
Date of Birth 06/05/76
Sex Male
Height 5'08"
Weight 220 lbs.
Visits used this week 0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Mailing Address Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Booking Date/Time 01/29/10 at 03:03 AM
Arresting Agency U.S.IMMIGRATION & NATURALIZATION-SACTO-CAPITOL MALL
Type of Arrest Federal Hold
Charges/Bail Case# Pending/NA(01) - Federal Hold
USC21-841(A)(
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Total Bail Ineligible for Bail
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date None
Next Court Date No Court Dates Scheduled
Court Location & Dept. No Court Dates Scheduled
Quote:
Sacramento County Inmate Information System
Inmate Name LOPEZ, ISMAEL
(Pending I.D. Verification)
Aliases
X-Reference Number X-4605396
Booking/Registry Number 09460521
Date of Birth 01/26/84
Sex Male
Height 5'09"
Weight 230 lbs.
Visits used this week 0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Mailing Address Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Booking Date/Time 01/29/10 at 03:02 AM
Arresting Agency U.S.IMMIGRATION & NATURALIZATION-SACTO-CAPITOL MALL
Type of Arrest Federal Hold
Charges/Bail Case# Pending/NA(01) - Federal Hold
USC21-841(A)(
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Total Bail Ineligible for Bail
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date None
Next Court Date No Court Dates Scheduled
Court Location & Dept. No Court Dates Scheduled
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Sacramento County Inmate Information System
Inmate Name LOPEZ-CARRERA, JOSE MANUEL
Aliases LOPEZCARRERA, JOSE MANUEL
CARRERA, JOJE MANUEL
LOPEZ, JOSE MANUEL

X-Reference Number X-4151837
Booking/Registry Number 09460523
Date of Birth 04/09/85
(Booked as: 04/19/85)
Sex Male
Height 5'11"
Weight 240 lbs.
Visits used this week 0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Mailing Address Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Booking Date/Time 01/29/10 at 03:02 AM
Arresting Agency U.S.IMMIGRATION & NATURALIZATION-SACTO-CAPITOL MALL
Type of Arrest Federal Hold
Charges/Bail Case# Pending/NA(01) - Federal Hold
USC21-841(A)(
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Total Bail Ineligible for Bail
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date None
Next Court Date No Court Dates Scheduled
Court Location & Dept. No Court Dates Scheduled

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Sacramento County Inmate Information System
Inmate Name RODRIGUEZ-GUEVA, LUIS ANGEL
Aliases
X-Reference Number X-4605392
Booking/Registry Number 09460514
Date of Birth 03/29/85
Sex Male
Height 5'10"
Weight 250 lbs.
Visits used this week 0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Mailing Address Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Booking Date/Time 01/29/10 at 02:03 AM
Arresting Agency U.S.IMMIGRATION & NATURALIZATION-SACTO-CAPITOL MALL
Type of Arrest Federal Hold
Charges/Bail Case# Pending/NA(01) - Federal Hold
USC241
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
USC846
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Total Bail Ineligible for Bail
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date None
Next Court Date No Court Dates Scheduled
Court Location & Dept. No Court Dates Scheduled

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Inmate Name TELLEZ, JUAN GUTIERREZ
Aliases TELLEZ, JUAN GUTRIEREZ
GUTIERREZ, JUAN TELLEZ
TELLEZ-GUTIERRE, JUAN

X-Reference Number X-4605381
Booking/Registry Number 09460477
Date of Birth 10/31/76
Sex Male
Height 5'11"
Weight 210 lbs.
Visits used this week 0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Mailing Address Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Booking Date/Time 01/28/10 at 08:46 PM
Arresting Agency SACRAMENTO POLICE DEPARTMENT
Type of Arrest Warrant Arrest
Charges/Bail Case# SCN206188(01) - Warrant Arrest
Warrant Agency: SAN DIEGO COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
PC 273.5
CORPORAL INJURY - SPOUSE OR COHABITANT
Bail: No Bail

Case# SCN190901(02) - Warrant Arrest
Warrant Agency: SAN DIEGO COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
PC 273A(A)
ENDANGERING LIFE OR HEALTH OF CHILD
HS 11351
POSSESSION FOR SALE-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES
Bail: No Bail

Case# Pending/NA(03) - U.S. Border Patrol Hold
BP HOLD
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Total Bail Ineligible for Bail
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date None
Next Court Date No Court Dates Scheduled
Court Location & Dept. No Court Dates Scheduled

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Inmate Name GARCIA, AYONA MARIE
Aliases
X-Reference Number X-4605379
Booking/Registry Number 09460447
Date of Birth 01/20/88
Sex Female
Height 5'06"
Weight 140 lbs.
Visits used this week 0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location 7E217A
Mailing Address GARCIA, AYONA X-4605379 7E217A
Sacramento County Main Jail
651 "I" Street
Sacramento, CA 95814
Booking Date/Time 01/28/10 at 07:05 PM
Arresting Agency SACRAMENTO COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
Type of Arrest Pickup (Fresh Arrest)
Charges/Bail Case# Pending/NA(01) - Pickup (Fresh Arrest)
PC 487 Felony
GRAND THEFT
Bail: $5,000.00

Case# Pending/NA(02) - U.S. Border Patrol Hold
BP HOLD
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Total Bail Ineligible for Bail
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date None
Next Court Date 02/01/10 at 01:30 PM
Court Location & Dept. Department 61 (Courthouse Information)

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Sacramento County Inmate Information System
Inmate Name ROBLEDO-RIOS, FRANCISCO JAVIER
Aliases RIOS, FRANCISCO JAVIERROBL
RIOS, FRANCISCO ROBLEDO
RIOS, FRANCISCO JAVIER

X-Reference Number X-4140916
Booking/Registry Number 09460429
Date of Birth 05/13/84
Sex Male
Height 5'06"
Weight 190 lbs.
Visits used this week 0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location 7E113A
Mailing Address ROBLEDO-RIOS, FRANCISCO X-4140916 7E113A
Sacramento County Main Jail
651 "I" Street
Sacramento, CA 95814
Booking Date/Time 01/28/10 at 05:19 PM
Arresting Agency SACRAMENTO POLICE DEPARTMENT
Type of Arrest Pickup (Fresh Arrest)
Charges/Bail Case# Pending/NA(01) - Pickup (Fresh Arrest)
VC 23103 Misdemeanor
RECKLESS DRIVING
VC 12500 Misdemeanor
UNLICENSED DRIVER
Bail: $1,000.00

Case# Pending/NA(02) - U.S. Border Patrol Hold
BP HOLD
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Total Bail Ineligible for Bail
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date None
Next Court Date 02/01/10 at 01:30 PM
Court Location & Dept. Department 3 (Courthouse Information)
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Sacramento County Inmate Information System
Inmate Name FELIZ, ADAN GUADALUPE
Aliases FELIZ, ADAN LEON

X-Reference Number X-4605373
Booking/Registry Number 09460425
Date of Birth 08/12/80
Sex Male
Height 5'08"
Weight 215 lbs.
Visits used this week 0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location 8E217A
Mailing Address FELIZ, ADAN X-4605373 8E217A
Sacramento County Main Jail
651 "I" Street
Sacramento, CA 95814
Booking Date/Time 01/28/10 at 04:37 PM
Arresting Agency SACRAMENTO POLICE DEPARTMENT
Type of Arrest Pickup (Fresh Arrest)
Charges/Bail Case# Pending/NA(01) - Pickup (Fresh Arrest)
HS 11378 Felony
POSSESSION FOR SALE-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES NON-NARCOTIC
HS 11379 Felony
SALE OR TRANSPORT OF-CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES NON-NARCOTIC
Bail: $200,000.00

Case# Pending/NA(02) - U.S. Border Patrol Hold
BP HOLD
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Total Bail Ineligible for Bail
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date None
Next Court Date 02/01/10 at 01:30 PM
Court Location & Dept. Department 63 (Courthouse Information)
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Old 01-29-2010, 07:26 PM
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Same day; More illegals

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Inmate Name HERRERA, ALEJANDRO ANGEL
(Pending I.D. Verification)
Aliases HERRERA, ALEX

X-Reference Number X-3989854
Booking/Registry Number 09460719
Date of Birth 02/05/75
Sex Male
Height 5'06"
Weight 180 lbs.
Visits used this week 0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Mailing Address Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Booking Date/Time 01/29/10 at 03:52 PM
Arresting Agency CALIFORNIA STATE FAIR POLICE
Type of Arrest Pickup (Fresh Arrest)
Charges/Bail Case# Pending/NA(01) - Pickup (Fresh Arrest)
PC 148(A)(1) Misdemeanor
RESISTING OR OBSTRUCTING PUBLIC/PEACE OFFICER/ER TECHNICIAN
SFR1.08.050 Misdemeanor
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: $1,000.00

Case# Pending/NA(02) - U.S. Border Patrol Hold
BP HOLD
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Total Bail Ineligible for Bail
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date None
Next Court Date 02/02/10 at 01:30 PM
Court Location & Dept. Department 3 (Courthouse Information)

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Sacramento County Inmate Information System
Inmate Name HERNANDEZ, JORGE VACA
Aliases BACA, JORGE
DELATORRE, ARMANDO
VACA-HERNANDEZ, JORGE
HERNANDEZ, JORGE
DELATTORE, ARMAND
DELATORRE, ARMANDO COSCILION
VACA, JORGE
VACA, JORGE HERNANDEZ
TORRE, ARMANDO
TORRE, ARMANDO DELA

X-Reference Number X-3685400
Booking/Registry Number 09460713
Date of Birth 08/18/78
Sex Male
Height 5'05"
Weight 170 lbs.
Visits used this week 0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Mailing Address Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Booking Date/Time 01/29/10 at 03:46 PM
Arresting Agency CHP-COMMUNICATIONS CENTER
Type of Arrest Warrant Arrest
Charges/Bail Case# Pending/NA(04) - U.S. Border Patrol Hold
BP HOLD
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Case# 08M09831(02) - Warrant Arrest
PC 242 Misdemeanor
BATTERY(CIVILIAN)
Bail: $3,000.00

Total Bail Ineligible for Bail
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date None
Next Court Date 02/01/10 at 01:30 PM
Court Location & Dept. Department 60 (Courthouse Information)
Sacramento County Inmate Information System
Inmate Name LOPEZ, ANTONIO
Aliases LUCAS, ANTONIO

X-Reference Number X-4046742
Booking/Registry Number 09460614
Date of Birth 12/09/88
Sex Male
Height 5'04"
Weight 160 lbs.
Visits used this week 0 visits used this week. Main Jail Visitation Information
Facility Sacramento County Main Jail (Facility Information)
Housing Location Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Mailing Address Booking In Progress, Check Back Later
Booking Date/Time 01/29/10 at 10:12 AM
Arresting Agency SACRAMENTO COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
Type of Arrest Warrant Arrest
Charges/Bail Case# 09T05497(02) - Commitment (local)
VC 23153(B) Misdemeanor
UNLAWFUL TO DRIVE UNDER THE INFL. OR AT .08/CAUSE DEATH/INJ.
Bail: No Bail

Case# Pending/NA(03) - U.S. Border Patrol Hold
ICEDETAINER
(NO DESCRIPTION AVAILABLE)
Bail: No Bail

Case# 04T03523(01) - Warrant Arrest
VC 23152(A) Misdemeanor
DRIVING UNDER INFLUENCE OF ALC AND/OR DRUGS
VC 23152(B) Misdemeanor
DRIVING WITH B.A. OF 0.08 PERCENT OR MORE
VC 12500(A) Misdemeanor
UNLAWFUL TO DRIVE UNLESS LICENSED
Bail: $3,500.00

Total Bail Ineligible for Bail
Outstanding Warrants Unknown
Projected Release Date 02/13/10
Next Court Date 02/02/10 at 01:30 PM
Court Location & Dept. Department 3 (Courthouse Information)
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I was skimming above and saw someone with, among others, a charge of possessing "Burglar's tools". What exactly are "burglar's tools"?

I was once watching one of those "Cops" shows, and they found a Klein plastic handled skinning knife in the back seat of the arrestee's car, about as worthless of a tool as there is for keeping an edge, but a tool specificly made for removing insulation from a conductor.

The cop turned it over in his hand and said something like "gosh, I don't know what it is, but it's a vicious weapon meant to hurt someone".

So, we have the officer's probable view that, particularly if he can't explain it, everything is a weapon.

Burglar's tools.

You can use a mattock for digging up roots, or break open a door. Maybe smash someone's skull while they're at it - a multi tasking device. Garden tool, burglar's tool, or weapon?

How about a backhoe? One can excavate and backfill as well as tear an ATM out of the wall at the bank.

Glass cutting tools can be used for all sorts of creative projects, as well as a sawzall. And so on.

So what exactly are "burglar's tools?"
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Maybe a flashlight. That's what they all use in the movies.
Sorry, but I missed your question earlier. Just about every state in the union has a burglars' tools law:
AB 2015 (Corbett)
Page 2



PURPOSE

The purpose of this bill is to add ceramic spark plug chips of
pieces to the list of items that may be defined as burglary
tools when possessed with the intent to commit burglary.

Existing law makes the possession of a picklock, crow, keybit,
crowbar, screwdriver, vise-grip plier, water-pump plier,
slidehammer, slim jim, tension bar, lock pick gun, tubular lock
pick, floor-safe door puller, master keys, or other instrument
or tool with the intent to break into any building, railroad
car, vessel, or vehicle a misdemeanor punishable by up to six
months in county jail, or a fine not to exceed $1,000, or both.
(Pen. Code 466.)

Existing law makes the possession of a key, tool, instrument,
explosive, or device, or a drawing, print, or mold of a key,
tool, instrument, explosive, or device designed to open, break
into, or damage a coin-operated machine with the intent to
commit theft from such machine punishable by up to one year in
county jail, or by a fine of not more than $1,000, or by both.
(Pen. Code 466.3.)

Existing law provides that every person who, with the intent to
use it in the commission of an unlawful act, possesses a motor
vehicle master key, or a motor vehicle wheel lock master key, is
guilty of a misdemeanor. (Pen. Code 466.5, subd. (a).)

Existing law provides that every person who, with the intent to
use it in the commission of an unlawful act, possesses a motor
vehicle key with knowledge that the key was made without the
consent of either the registered or legal owner is guilty of a
misdemeanor. (Pen. Code 466.7.)

Existing law provides that every person who enters any house,
room, apartment, shop, store, warehouse, or other building,
vessel, aircraft, railroad car, trailer coach, camper, or
vehicle with the intent to commit theft or any felony is guilty
of burglary. (Pen. Code 459.)

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So, a crowbar with the intent to illegally enter is a burglar's tool, while possession a sledgehammer with the same intent is not.

However, I have to go back a few years to when an officer asked me three times, getting louder with repetition, if I had any weapons on my person. I had replied no to the first two queries, but realized what he was getting at on the third.

I informed him I had a tool in my right front pocket called a knife.

I had no intent on using the knife on the officer. So, why was it automatically a weapon?
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So, a crowbar with the intent to illegally enter is a burglar's tool, while possession a sledgehammer with the same intent is not.?
It's a good question. The prosecutor is the best source of answers of course, so I'll ask. Some tools are synoymous to burglary unless you are in the associated industry. Lock picking tools for instance. Nitro-Glycerine and extremely hardened drill bits, or grappling hooks and rope. It all revolves around intent, and the cops are just setting the stage for the prosecutor. Possession of the tools charges are most likey to make sure the evidence is introduced in case the defense tries to limit the scope to the burglary charge alone. "didn't see him breaking in your honor, but he was tresspassing on a storage yard lot in the middle of the night with a crowbar, drill, and two flashlights. Maybe without the possession charge the defense can exclude the tools as inadmissable because everyone has those.
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"or grappling hooks and rope."

I'm reminded of the old Robin Williams file The Fisher King

I have a Slim Jim in one of my trucks, but that's only because maybe six years ago there was a rash of keys being locked in the cab of company trucks, one of which was my doing, few from one coast to the other seem to have the notion that maybe there should be an extra set of keys cut for the fleet. There was more than one door which was tweeked by someone trying to get in the truck and out of the yard before the GF wanted to know why the hell the crew was still there milling around the truck.

I think the definition is just for enhancement of charges.

The local DA's office overcharges on everything, and will only grudgingly drop charges if there is absolutely no case at all and only after the defendant insists on a jury trial rather than copping a plea for something he didn't do, even trading some sort of a personal inconvenience on the defendant in return for dropping charges on a meritless case - otherwise the accused has to shell out the extra money for an attorney to prep for a trial which has no other purpose than to punish the defendant monetarily and by wasting personal time on something the DA is going to lose anyway.

Petty indeed. Twelve documented AA meetings verses shelling out another $4K for the attorney for a trial jury.

As well as wasting the taxpayers money.
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Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days"

SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show.


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Old 01-29-2010, 09:54 PM
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I've heard of quite a few arrests for possesion of battery powered Sawzalls, and Mechanics creepers in the Bay Area in the past year, or so.

It seems that when You get a few SUV's, and taller vehicles all lined-up in a supermarket parking lot, it's reletively easy to get on the creeper, and cut off all of the catalytic converters one car, after another, and those things have enough precious metals (gold/paladium/platinum) in them to make it proffitable for a Thief.

I've seen used catalytic converters on eBay fetch over a $100-$150...used, just for reclaimation of the metals.
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