Jim Gilchrist Sides With Sanctuary Policy Police Chief?

[PochoPatriot]

This post is indicative of the issue I brought up in this thread. I believe that none of the high profile "leaders" (Gilchist, Nightingale, Coe & Schwilk) are not motivated by their desire to save this country, but by their egos. This is clear by their insistence on ideological purity.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

This post is indicative of the issue I brought up in this thread. I believe that none of the high profile "leaders" (Gilchist, Nightingale, Coe & Schwilk) are not motivated by their desire to save this country, but by their egos. This is clear by their insistence on ideological purity.

Nightingale and Gilchrist have not been leading much in this movement lately. Nightingale leads on her own starring role, but hasn't applied it to the immigration issue much. Gilchrist is also resting on the laurels of the past. They are not leading, and therefore shouldn't be included using the term. When was the last Nightingale led illegal immigration related event? How 'bout Jim? Seen any border ops which were (are) the foundation of his organization lately? At least Schwilk and Coe are operative, regardless of their coexisting abrasiveness, egotism, and other distasteful characteristics. I believe you need to stop viewing/referring to some of these folks as leaders. Granted there are too few people taking forward positions these days, but there still are people doing things. The movement is not dead simply because a few shitheads got in the spotlight and did some damage

[wetibbe]

I received an E-mail just the other day from Jim Gilchrist, full of fire and brimstone, saying he was initiating some more action.

Here in my part of the country there has been quite a dwindling of patriot action. Only a small handful still have fire in the belly. Seems they must be getting burned out. At the same time I see more and more politicians, congress, senate, Mayors, becoming more aggressive and responsive.

As to Police Chiefs and Sheriffs we, here, have always had the majority of them that don't want to get involved in immigration issues. It's not only the money excuse but also _ "not my job" - "too much work", "I don't get paid for that", "it's the Fed's problem". AND some are sympathetic to the poor beggars. The elected officials keep a sharp eye on voter attitude and they are prone to pandering for votes. New Jersey's Governor Chris Christie, as popular as he is with Republicans, is an outrages butt kisser to the Latino/Hispanic community.

Furthermore, Mayors and law enforcement are attacked viciously, and sued, by the ACLU, PRLDEF, Hispanics and sympathizers, liberals, socialists, communists when they try to enforce laws or pass anti-illegal immigrant ordinances.

[Rim05]

It is my opinion that in-fighting has caused more harm to what we started some 5 or 6 years ago than anything else. Ego and jealously are the main problems of the past. Also, some of the most active of us have grown older and it is not possible for us to continue. Seems most of our younger simply do not believe things are as bad as we see them to be. I think things are worse than ever and getting worse.
I am willing to listen to anyone who can convince me that I am wrong.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Rim05

It is my opinion that in-fighting has caused more harm to what we started some 5 or 6 years ago than anything else. I am willing to listen to anyone who can convince me that I am wrong.

I don't think that's true. The repbulicans and democrats have infighting all the time, yet they still live on. I think our problems stem from usual human attention span unless stimulated and supported by large donor bases, media support, and political intervention. I'd allege the illegals would be in our shoes right now had there not been those factors I mentioned.

[Rim05]

Sorry, but I am still not convinced. I will admit that I have never been part of the leader ship but I can see.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Jim,

I'm sorry, but I'm calling bullshit on you here.

The chief has gone way beyond simple economics of his workforce, to politicizing his department policy. I cite:
San Jose police officers are looking to greatly improve its frayed relationship with immigrant communities amid allegations of overaggressive policing and racial profiling. Moore, for example, has in his short tenure as chief discontinued a policy in which cars of unlicensed drivers stopped for minor traffic violations were impounded for a month -- a policy many felt unfairly targeted the undocumented Latino community.

Looking to reassure its own large and growing Latino community, San Jose has long broadcast that it does not participate in immigration raids. And officers are ordered not to investigate someone's immigration status during arrests.

You see? He's more interested in not offending the illegal population than he is defending the rest of the citizens from unlicensed drivers. He's also ordered his officers not to investigate immigration status. Can you say sanctuary city?
You are a seasoned veteran of the propaganda war, and I'm certain you can see it when you read it. I urge you not to let your anger at Barbara coe blind you to the other enemy. I won't fault you for being skeptical where she's involved. I know there's some history, and I also know she can be quick on the condemnation side. But don't side with the chief when the evidence shows he's more interested in spreading propaganda than he is conveying economic constraints, just because she sees that too. She can be right on this, and still be a jackass on other issues.

Furthermore, If I may quote Rim05:
"It is my opinion that in-fighting has caused more harm to what we started some 5 or 6 years ago than anything else."

Keep listening to the blatant propaganda of groups like ALIPAC, Schwilk's old SDMM, and CCIR and you will be "goose stepped" right into the final demise of the movement to bring our nation back under the rule of law

I don't have any love for schwilk, and I was not aware that SDMM was defunct, but last I heard they still had a clean-up effort going on the hwy. I am certainly no fan of people who try and get 100 x more mileage out of their deeds than they actually perform, and I'm not afraid to say that, but I still commend them for that they do, when they do it. Jeff is an excitable boy, and his mouth has left me wondering whether his value has exceeded his harm, but I still never side with the propagandists on the other side.
My opinion of Gheen is about the same as Schwilk, but I won't say the same about all of the people that collect around ALIPAC. Good people in the company of a few jackasses doesn't make them all jackasses. Likewise for CCIR people.
I'm no goose-stepper, and I've been apologizing to injured people over my association with Nightingale for the same reason. Nightingale's a cockroach. But I still don't side with our opposition just because she's involved. If I have to; I condemn them both at the same time

[Rim05]

It is my opinion that in-fighting has caused more harm to what we started some 5 or 6 years ago than anything else. Ego and jealously are the main problems of the past. Also, some of the most active of us have grown older and it is not possible for us to continue. Seems most of our younger simply do not believe things are as bad as we see them to be. I think things are worse than ever and getting worse.
I am willing to listen to anyone who can convince me that I am wrong.

I hope no one will take my post to mean any certain person or group. It is just my opinion from afar. My own reason for not being street active any more (most people know this) is because I found it too difficult to find a ride. I do not live near very many members. I drive only when I must any more.

[Eagle1]

Rim05 your contributions in terms of participation and dedication are unquestionable. Believe me I fully understand not being able to go places as often as I used to.

I would hope to have you join us on SOS radio some time.
The reason we created it was so that we could gather as a group from our homes over the telephone.

I would love to hear what you have to say on SOS radio.