ozbama ready to shoot himself in the OTHER foot

[Kathy63]

I was actually referring to size and ferocity. When he proposes his amnesty, there is going to be a backlash like Godzilla swinging his tail. Since last summer more people have lost their jobs, taxes have gone up, The public is already being forced to accept hatian criminal aliens and refugees. The public is in no mood to have amnesty imposed along with everything else.

Getting the water turned on is SO important, if I could do it, I would have gone to a protest for that myself.

I found our recently that there is a bill to overturn that Judge's decision by federal legislative action. It's bottled up in committee by none other than Nancy Pelosi.

[Kathy63]

Yep he's loading and locking. Aimed right at his big toe.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com...ration-reform/

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

I was actually referring to size and ferocity. When he proposes his amnesty, there is going to be a backlash like Godzilla swinging his tail. Since last summer more people have lost their jobs, taxes have gone up, The public is already being forced to accept hatian criminal aliens and refugees. The public is in no mood to have amnesty imposed along with everything else.

Getting the water turned on is SO important, if I could do it, I would have gone to a protest for that myself.

I found our recently that there is a bill to overturn that Judge's decision by federal legislative action. It's bottled up in committee by none other than Nancy Pelosi.

I don't necessarily agree with you on the water issue. For one, the growers aren't growing food just for us, actually much is being shipped out of the country. We're eating produce grown south of us. The growers are contributing to the political purses of those who will give them more of those migrant work visas. And if we didn't have this huge invasion which will double in basically no time at all, we wouldn't be using up as much of that natural resource as we are using. When those in power begin to realize that we can not sustain the population these breeders will bring this state to, then maybe they will wake up to what they're encouraging.

We need to actually face the fact that humans can not do without water, and the population can only sustain itself when there is a sufficient supply. We all ready artificially move it from place to place, borrowing from Peter to pay Paul. But there come a time when there's no place to borrow from and you've overpopulated. The politicians did this with our finances, like a shell game they borrowed from one to pay another, hiding the fact of where the money came from. Until there were no more shells left to take from. That's what will happen with water, and is happening to some questionable degree today.

If you remember a few years back, they tried to put together that big Newhall land development between Valencia and Ventura county. Ventura County stopped it at the county line because the developers couldn't come up with the water supply needed for that many homes and businesses. LA County didn't seem to care. So the project was cut in half and last I heard is L A (Valencia) plans on continuing the project.

You see some, actually most, politicians and big business are like junkies who will destroy their one bodies until there's no other place to turn. I'm of the opinion that they need to be cut off cold turkey and go through withdrawals until they face the situation we are in and do what is needed before we have no choice in the matter at all.

[Kathy63]

When the federal judge ordered the water to the farms and ranches cut off, it was to protect the snail darter fish.

There was no lessening or reduction in the criminal alien invasion. What happened was that everyone found their water useage reduced. We do buy a lot of produce mostly from Chile (which has mechanized farms). More now than before because now there is very little California grown produce at all.

If you like what's happened to the produce, you will love what is going to happen to poultry and eggs because this is the last year we will have domestic affordable food like that. Again, because of foolish legislative actions. If the farmers haven't already left, they will now.

If you want a good picture of what the future of California is, look at Haiti.

[Don]

I heard an internet radio show by farmers who are into this stuff and from what I could gather, under these goof ball free trade arrangements we export substantial amounts of food and import other food. The net effect is that we're losing control over our domestic food supply and will be vulnerable to imports...like Great Britain in two world wars was vulnerable to blockade and starvation.

The whole structure of our country is being manipulated so as to make us as vulnerable and weak as possible. The illegal alien invasion is just one aspect of it.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

When the federal judge ordered the water to the farms and ranches cut off, it was to protect the snail darter fish.

There was no lessening or reduction in the criminal alien invasion. What happened was that everyone found their water useage reduced. We do buy a lot of produce mostly from Chile (which has mechanized farms). More now than before because now there is very little California grown produce at all.

If you like what's happened to the produce, you will love what is going to happen to poultry and eggs because this is the last year we will have domestic affordable food like that. Again, because of foolish legislative actions. If the farmers haven't already left, they will now.

If you want a good picture of what the future of California is, look at Haiti.

Kathy I wasn't implying there was a reduction in the invaders, and I'm not happy that a large amount of our produce is coming from south of the border. Who knows was sewer water or contaminated fields they're using. What I stating is we have limited resources and killing off something to support another that shouldn't be here in the first place will come back to bit us is the rear in the years to come. The growers are scamming the public big time and that needs to be exposed. The land may eventually be turned into housing, which needs more water. That's what they tried to do with the Newhall land development. That is all agricultural land that runs along Highway 126 from just about where Piru ends all the way to interstate 5. That would house a lot of people, but requires tremendous amounts of water. That is why Ventura County said no, because we are a big agricultural county and that water has to go toward growing food. If this invasion continues, they will have to build more housing, and the farmers will lose. But this battle will continue until the farmers and government come to the realize we can't have both. If we keep giving the farmers water when it is damaging other natural resources, which fish are (even small fish feed big fish) the problem gets swept under the rug until there's no turning back. Someones got to take a hit before they will deal with anything. Let it be the farmers, and let's hope they all wake up before this state is nothing but housing and concrete.

[Kathy63]

A country that cannot feed itself will not survive. It will be dependent on whoever provides the people's food much like a pet. Haiti grew its own food prior to the slave revolt. Zimbabwe was once the breadbasket of Africa until the farmers were slaughtered and the crops burned in the fields.

If we do not resurrect our farmlands, we have a future of the people standing in UN food distribution lines.

To imagine that cutting off the water to farms will have some effect on the invasion is extremely short sighted. The invaders will have the water and YOU and I will be paying the bill, and we STILL have to import our food. As long as we can pay for it that is. After all, without the ability to grow our own, an exporter can charge whatever it wishes.

I fail to see how the growers are scamming anyone when they have lost farms, orchards and ranches that have been in families for generations. I see no scam in rich topsoil blowing away as dust. Some of these growers have lost everything they have. Now you might say they employed criminal aliens and deserve the loss. Even if it is true, I fail to see how such "scamming" to the point of losing everything is beneficial. Or how the loss of tens of thousands of acres of farmland benefits us.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

A country that cannot feed itself will not survive. It will be dependent on whoever provides the people's food much like a pet. Haiti grew its own food prior to the slave revolt. Zimbabwe was once the breadbasket of Africa until the farmers were slaughtered and the crops burned in the fields.

If we do not resurrect our farmlands, we have a future of the people standing in UN food distribution lines.

To imagine that cutting off the water to farms will have some effect on the invasion is extremely short sighted. The invaders will have the water and YOU and I will be paying the bill, and we STILL have to import our food. As long as we can pay for it that is. After all, without the ability to grow our own, an exporter can charge whatever it wishes.

I fail to see how the growers are scamming anyone when they have lost farms, orchards and ranches that have been in families for generations. I see no scam in rich topsoil blowing away as dust. Some of these growers have lost everything they have. Now you might say they employed criminal aliens and deserve the loss. Even if it is true, I fail to see how such "scamming" to the point of losing everything is beneficial. Or how the loss of tens of thousands of acres of farmland benefits us.

The water doesn't end up in the poor downtrodden family farms. The promoters just make it look that way just like the illegals supporters use "splitting up families" and "hard working tax paying good hearted people".
Once they get their way, and the water, they'll just continue driving out family farms the way they did before this opportunity came along.

[Kathy63]

The real results aren't going in that direction AG.

If you believe that cutting off the water to the farms is beneficial, you will just continue to believe it no matter what evidence turns up.

I will not allow criminal immigration to become the hobgoblin.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

The water doesn't end up in the poor downtrodden family farms. The promoters just make it look that way just like the illegals supporters use "splitting up families" and "hard working tax paying good hearted people".
Once they get their way, and the water, they'll just continue driving out family farms the way they did before this opportunity came along.

Just like Walmart running off mom and pop business wherever they land.