Admission Day Proclamation

[ilbegone]

Greg,

I understand that Reagan looked back on the 1986 immigration/amnesty law as a mistake.

This is the bottom line as I see it:

The democrat party is building a constituency they can't achieve with mainstream America, and they buy votes with social programs (the money's about to run out, but they either don't get the fact or they are playing a cynical game to keep the scam going on as long as possible).

Over the last 50 years the republicans played a game for cheap labor (underbidding native labor), but they didn't figure on the 14th amendment - oddly they must have thought that foreigners wouldn't procreate on American soil. It bit them in the ass because the democrats are picking up the kids and now republicans are on a clumsy damage control mission.

Actually, I believe that a lot of the situation now is similar to when the Irish came in the 19th century, except the Irish spoke the same language, their origination was an ocean away, the nation was expanding (populating a continent) instead of being static (overpopulated continent), and they eventually quit coming in large numbers.

Neither party really wants an end to it (just control as to the desired outcome - democrats want them as voters, republicans would kick them to the curb when they're done using them), and that is reflected by the occasional thunderous speech but no action in congress combined with little to no enforcement on the executive side of government as well as the judicial branch giving away the store.

Third parties have no chance, and they're a bunch of lunatics in any case while the two parties offer us no candidate who is sincere about fixing the problem.

The nutshell answer to government and immigration.


I don't believe the bit about money flowing to brown race groups for control for one microsecond.

Since the attempts in the 60's to infiltrate and neutralize those groups outside control is just not going to happen - it's not like the feds cutting off freeway construction money to force a state to adopt a policy which is distasteful to the state's population. I believe that government and private donors either don't understand what is actually going on (useful idiots) or what is going on fits their various agendas - and I'm more inclined to believe the latter.

Let the race stuff go. Almost everyday I find someone new with origins in the barrio whose father or grandfather might have listened to Ranchera music with his drunk buddies on the porch, but played the Mills brothers or Mitch Miller in the house (not always the case, but frequent enough). Those people and their descendants aren't the same people who come here now, and while varying numbers might agree with you on certain things, they will bitterly oppose you and your stand because of your perceived racism.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

I don't believe the bit about money flowing to brown race groups for control for one microsecond..

I do. Our government and the various factions that seek to control it have been using our wallets to worm their way into various factions of other movements for decades. It doesn't always work, but they see no reason not to keep trying.

Let the race stuff go. Almost everyday I find someone new with origins in the barrio whose father or grandfather might have listened to Ranchera music with his drunk buddies on the porch, but played the Mills brothers or Mitch Miller in the house (not always the case, but frequent enough). Those people and their descendants aren't the same people who come here now, and while varying numbers might agree with you on certain things, they will bitterly oppose you and your stand because of your perceived racism

That's right. And you know what else? Racism doesn't work. It's a failed enterprise that people like Reagan and his predecessors were convinced to abandon. They may still have believed in it, but as politicians they embraced a new concept at the behest, encouragement, and possibly force, of some of those powers I mentioned earlier. You can't equate the color of a person's skin with their culture's failings, or even their educational level. There are various levels of intelligence within all races. Whites have the same potential to be seen as classless and ignorant as do aboriginal natives. The term "white trash" or "trailer trash" got started somehow, eh? As a 60 year old half-breed, I can tell you I've had my clock cleaned by quite a few people shades darker than myself. Likewise, I've met quite a few people with slanted eyes that have taught me a whole lot of things I never learned from any white school teachers. Truth is, that if you value advancement, you must take it whereever you find it, and don't close of any avenues. What's really important is that you sharpen your ability to discern the good people from the bad..or ignorant.. Choosing them by race is a sure way to fail in that endeavour

[Jeanfromfillmore]

While helping a friend with her garage sale about 18 years ago I was told that in the future it would be White males that would have a hard time and that there was an effort to take them out of power. This woman’s name was Roberta Orona Cordova and she now teaches Chicano Studies at Cal State Northridge. We were very close friends for years. While we were waiting for people to come by and buy something she also asked me if I’d heard of the movement to take back the western US and return it to Mexico. I don’t remember if she mentioned ATZLAN. I told her I didn’t agree with that concept at all and she responded that she did but her boyfriend, whose name is Vince and was teaching screen writing at CSUN at the time, didn’t agree with her. Roberta was teaching English at Santa Monica College and UC Santa Barbara back then, before she took the job at CSUN. She graduated from Berkeley with two masters (English and Screen Writing I think, but not sure about the second) due to affirmative action and she admits that if she had to try to get a degree today she wouldn’t be able to do it due to the changes in the system. She has since married Vince and I last spoke to her about 5 years ago. Roberta was born here in the US and her parents were also born here. She spent time in Mexico when she was in her 20’s to learn to speak Spanish. Today she indoctrinates her students with race based hate and we have affirmative action to thank for it. Look her up, she’s still teaching.

What bothers me greatly is that while we hear the democrats cry that there’s a “war on women” there isn’t a mention of the radical left’s war on White men. You hear it from their mouthpieces saying such things as “We’re getting rid of a bunch of old White men” or when referencing certain conservative politicians they will say “A bunch of old White men” but not one person attributes this to racism or a tactical effort to reduce White males to a lower status. As I said, this didn’t just happen, it is what the left has been working on for many years.

About 9 years ago I was talking to an illegal alien and his response to me when asked why he was here in the US was “We’re taking it back”.

These are just two examples of people I’ve come across in past years that admit to an agenda. One is in a position of influence; the other is the result of that influence.

Yes there is a war against White males, but since Whites haven’t acknowledged it, it just doesn’t exist.

AG, I disagree with your statement that “Choosing them by race is a sure way to fail in that endeavor” because it has sure been working for the far left.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

AG, I disagree with your statement that “Choosing them by race is a sure way to fail in that endeavor” because it has sure been working for the far left.

The left is not trying to save the republic, so they can employ the most carefree strategies. Unfortunately we don't have the luxury of burning down our own castle to win the battle or the war. Had we the desire to attempt such exclusive standards, we would have deprived ourselves of many talented allies.

[Greg in LA]

Whoa, wait a minute Ilbegone and Ayatollah. I'm not espousing some sort of race supremacy or race superiority. I'm just pointing out the facts that I see in regards to how White people through apathy and corruption, and naivety have allowed themselves to be taken advantage of. I think Whites in America pretty much treat all people as individuals and judge people as individuals. That is a great way to think, and I believe a very American attitude to view people. In a way though that's part of the problem, We treat others as individuals, but that doesn't mean other people from different ethnic groups treat and think of others the same way that Americans do, as individuals.

Most people around the world think along tribal and ethic lines. When viewing people They see tribe and ethnicity first and the individual second, maybe a distant second.

The melting pot is the prime example of this. Americans in general think you immigrate to America, you melt into the pot and mix. We all know from experience that this is not necessarily true. Why?
because other cultures and "tribes" see it different. In many instances their view point is, race and tribe trumps all.

When I was saying "The Mexicans in America aren't the problem, It's the Whites that are the problem", I was merely criticizing my own ethnic group because of their unwillingness to not take this into consideration , to only see things from one's own narrow point of view.

[ilbegone]

Greg,

This is going to ramble a bit, but it has a point.

I understand what you're saying - I've brought it up myself in the fact that illegal immigration has it's origins in white employers and white politicians, that the problem with illegal immigration was made in America, not by trespassing brown Mexican nationals nor average brown Americans some confuse with Mexican nationals - and the Mexican government merely takes advantage of the situation to deport Mexican social problems with emigration rather than reform government.

The problem lies in how the discussion is viewed by others, although everyone has their various perceptions.

Consider a brother and sister I know. She says she's never been stopped by the Border Patrol, he claims that he gets racially profiled by the Border Patrol (he said it as though it's a regular thing). He and another sister have said that they're staying out of Arizona because of things like Arpaio and SB 1070. They were all born here.

Once when the man was in the hospital I made a comment to him that he would soon be out playing soccer. He replied that he played baseball and basketball in high school, that soccer was something the Mexicans brought with them when "they" came. The man's parents were born in Mexico.

This is what I know for sure about them and the Border Patrol: A car they were riding in to see some relatives was stopped by the Border Patrol in Texas and those agents tore their car apart. This was in 1960.

Maybe the man has been stopped once or twice at the Temecula checkpoint on the 15 freeway and it pissed him off. I know an Indian who was born on the Wind River Reservation in Wyoming who was stopped there, and there's no doubt he was pissed about it - hoppin' friggin mad about it for a month or so (might about having been seen as a potential "Mexican", I've personally seen Mexican nationals approach him asking about work in Spanish and when it was clear he didn't understand they cussed him in Spanish and flipped him the Mexican bird while walking away).

I spoke yesterday with a Mexican from Guerrero I've known for years who's been here since about 1975, much of it illegally, still barely speaks English. I related to him about being stopped by the Border Patrol last week and being asked if I were a citizen. He was incredulous in a very amused manner, said that I didn't look like a Mexican, why did they stop me. He said that he himself, with over three decades here, was confronted by the Border Patrol only once. They came into his workplace and asked him if he were a citizen, he showed them a driver's license, and they lost interest in him. He asked me if I was stopped by a "Mexican" agent, and I replied in the affirmative. He said "that's why".

The Mexican knows why he was approached by the agents and accepts it. Many American citizens, even with the low chance they have of being confronted by the Border Patrol, resent it.

Perception is reality. Of the brown American man and his two sisters, one sister doesn't see a racial profiling problem, the other two do, the Indian was livid. The Mexican doesn't care, he's got his - let's have some more fun, pinche migra.

Lots of people have sensitivities or even chips on their shoulder about conceptualized white racism. Those who are old enough to remember the 50's have varying feelings based on their diverse experiences and personalities about real and perceived white racism, and so do their grandchildren - some who are so wrongly convinced that the old people's negative experiences which have been related to them (individually accurate or not) are their very own.

So, when you talk about whites in the manner you did, regardless if it was with much more innocent intent than many of "them" might talk if the roles were reversed, you are going to be regarded as a close associate of long dead Nazi thug Heinrich Himmler.

Perception is reality, and brown racists have worked overtime to build up and perpetuate the perception of white racism because allegation of white racism works to a desired end - racial polarization. If people who might otherwise agree with you about illegal immigration perceive that you are out to do them personal harm based on race rather than legality of residency, they're going to hate you and the racist brown supremacist has done his work.

Why help them?

[Jeanfromfillmore]

This is an article just out today. I bring it foreward to highlight a comment in it that I addressed in my previous comment. Yes there is a war on White men and as I said, it started to my own personal knowledge well over 20 years ago. But most likely it started in the 60's.


Exclusive: UCLA shuts down controversial illegal immigrant college program


Following scrutiny from a California lawmaker, the University of California is shutting down a controversial college program for illegal immigrants, though the reasons for the closure are not satisfying critics of the so-called National Dream University.
Critics of the plan of the so-called National Dream University (NDU) welcomed the decision to stop the program, though they weren’t satisfied with the reasons given for its closure.
"I believe the procedural issue gave UCLA an out, but it was public pressure and public scrutiny during such difficult economic times that was ultimately turned Dream University into a nightmare for UCLA President and regents," says California Assemblyman Tim Donnelly (R-Twin Peaks).
NDU earlier this summer began actively recruiting those seeking a college degree and a career in activism focused on immigration issues. Its website, which has since been taken down, promoted "an educational opportunity to those who have demonstrated leadership and commitment to the immigrant and/or labor rights movements {with admission} open to everyone, regardless of their immigration status."
Operated by the UCLA Labor Center and the National Labor College, NDU would have offered credit for online courses in immigrant rights and political advocacy. At about $2,500, tuition was thousands less than what legal residents pay to attend UCLA, one of California's premier public universities.
Assemblyman Donnelly was the first lawmaker to publicly express outrage. "Here, you're going to have the taxpayers subsidizing it, so that illegal aliens can go to college, have their own little college, teach their own ideology, and all at taxpayer expense," he said in August.
In an email to Fox News, a university spokesman admitted UCLA was "unaware of the courses to be offered" by NDU. Fox News has repeatedly reached out to the UCLA professors who, on their own, established NDU, with no oversight from university administrators.
When asked for comment, Kent Wong, director of the UCLA Labor Center, hung up on Fox News several times. He does, however, speak frequently in support of so-called DREAMers.
At one rally, he told an audience of cheering young activists "you will go onto become lawyers and teachers and doctors and members of the U.S. Senate to replace those old white men."In a response to a query by Donnelly, University of California President Mark Yudof said the two research groups behind NDU did not go through the proper channels, and therefore would not be allowed to continue the program.
The certificate program, he wrote, "was negotiated without the consultation or approval of UCLA's academic and administrative leadership. Therefore, the agreement has been declared void. As a result, UCLA has asked the Labor Center to immediately suspend all work on the National Dream University."
UCLA has not disavowed Kent Wong, however, and the closure of NDU does not mean there could be future activist programs.
"UCLA's actions do not preclude a future agreement between the Labor Center and National Labor College," Yudof wrote. "Any such future agreement will require the completion of a formal proposal process with approval from the appropriate academic and administrative leadership."
Still, Donnelly, who, as a member of the state's appropriations committee approves funding for UC schools, is glad to see NDU disappear.
"I think that given the news coverage of this story by Fox News and others, the inquiry by my office, and the National Labor College's financial difficulties, UC's President decided this is not the way to expend the precious limited resources, which should be available to California citizens rather than illegal aliens, no matter how deserving they may seem."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/13...#ixzz26O0hWFhs

[ilbegone]

Yes, Jean, that is one facet of brown America who elbows their way in and insists on speaking for everyone else with a brown skin and Spanish last name, and those involved that way have been working hard on accomplishing running off the white man since the 60's. It revolves around the universities and the educational elite who become personally politically involved or hard core gang banger types - prison racism.

It has little do with the people I've been talking about.

The people you are talking about, there is no rationalizing with. They are the brown racist mirror image of the Aryan Nations. If it weren't politically incorrect or maybe just too soon, they'd be setting up the gallows or maybe even building death camp gas chambers and crematoriums.

The people I have been talking about are the people I have been around the most, regular people just trying to make a living and dealing with life the best they can, mostly these are people whose families have been here for generations who are not a part of the brown supremacist movement, although I have also seen it in young adults who are first generation Americans - it mostly depends on their background and how their parents look at life.

There are a multitude of different people within the "brown community", they are not all the same. We shouldn't alienate those who aren't a part of the brown racist persuasion.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

I understand very well who you are referring to Ibegone when you post, they are basically the same people I grew up with in my early years. But what I'm pointing out is that those promoting this war on White males are people of great influence and they themselves are not always brown skinned. This person Kent Wong, director of the UCLA Labor Center certainly doesn't sound like he's Hispanic, but who knows. The point I'm making is that no one mentions the war on white males as though it doesn't exist, AND IT DOES!!! No one can fix something if no one acknowledges it exists. Because today to acknowledge it exists would be "racists". So we often try to tiptoe around dodging the racist arrows and fly our "non-racist" colors. The double standard is amazing.

This war on White males is being taught in our schools and universities, yet no one dares to say a word against it. One might say, 'Well, that's just talked about in school, it doesn't impact society'. This has been a goal of acadamia for going on fifty years now. We have functionally illiterate students graduating high schools by the groves, yet they did learned that White men are the enemy. I know this for a fact because I saw it first hand. And this indoctrination isn't just happeining to Brown supremists, it's happening to students of all ethnicities. Those that have been exposed to this crap are not just teenagers anymore. We now have three generations with this same mindset.

Not all people are the same, no matter what their skin color or ethnicity, but that is not what is being taught and promoted in our schools, and these are not just little low end colleges, it's being taught at the Ivy league schools.

I understand that this thread is about Admissions Day, but what is being promoted by acadamia goes hand in hand with this. The goal is to replace enough White male politicians with those who sympathize with acadamia's cause (overthrowing White males) and replacing it with those that want to give the western states back to Mexico, ATZLAN. One would think that would be unthinkable, but don't be fooled. Each year more and more are being placed in a position of influence, whether it's in acadamia or political, and each year more students are being indocrinated to their way of thinking (because it would be racist to not agree) and each year more are being born or immigrating and given citizenship to vote for this agenda. Unless people start being honest and stop ignoring how wide and influential this movement has become it will continue to expand. We have an enemy within, and they're hiding in plane sight. You can't point them out because that would be racist. But I refuse to deny that they don't have an agenda and it begins with replacing White men.