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10-04-2010, 06:35 PM
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LEO presumption that you were testing as to whether they would shoot you, CHP officer at 2:09 pm and something about how you appeared to be upset/angry. I sincerely believe that although you are within your legal carry right, they (LEOs) might well kill you under the presumption you are a nut who threatens them or a perception that you violate what constitutes a "safe" society. I believe it would be very informative to peruse the content of 911 calls and police dispatch transmissions, knowledge of the content may protect you. It may take an attorney to pry it loose. On another note, the reference to the "Elmer Fudd cap" was meant as a funny, nothing personal or slam towards hunting intended. Please tell us about the reaction of regular people who observed you on your route, I am greatly curious about their reactions.
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10-06-2010, 03:26 PM
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I'll update you on the rest of the hike in a minute,
But first, let me show you a strange coincidence: Today while I was performing administrative functions on PublicDocumentDistributors.com, I noticed several IP's that were browsing the link to the urban rifle hike incident report. I resolved the IP's, and one came back as: Quote:
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OK, it's not actually called that, but it might as well be. I just think it strange that so many links to NATO's address are related to immigration to the US Last edited by Ayatollahgondola; 10-06-2010 at 03:35 PM.
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10-06-2010, 06:26 PM
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Such as this?
mmigration made simple: an easy-to-read guide to the U.S. ... - Google Books Result Barbara Brooks Kimmel, Alan M. Lubiner - 2002 - Law - 272 pages ... or from, A or G Status; or Requesting A, G or NATO Dependent Employment Authorization, to NATO SACLANT/C-027, 7857 Blandy Road Suite l00, Norfolk, ... books.google.com/books?isbn=097009082X... or [PDF] Direct Filing Addresses for Form I-539, Application to Change ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View Apr 2, 2007 ... nonimmigrant, mail Form I-539 to: NATO/HQ SACT Legal Affairs, 7857 Blandy Road, Suite 100, Norfolk, VA 23551. If you or the principal ... bccvisalaw.com/forms/I-539%20Chart.pdf - Similar or... WiggiBlawg : ILW.COM - immigration news: USCIS On New I-102 Filing ... Feb 23, 2010... Supreme Allied Commander Transformation at NATO/HQ SACT, 7857 Blandy Road, Suite 100, ATTN: Legal Affairs, Norfolk, VA 23551-2490. ... wiggiblawg.blogspot.com/.../ilwcom-immigration-news-uscis-on-new-i.html - Cached or... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View 7857 Blandy Road, Suite 100. ATTN: Legal Affairs. Norfolk, VA 23551-2490. In All Other Instances. File your application as follows: ... http://www.fsmembassydc.org/pdf/.../...res8.31.09.pdf - Similar or... [PDF] Instructions for Form I-539, Application to Extend/Change ... File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View Affairs, 7857 Blandy Road, Suite 100, Norfolk, VA. 23551. If you or the principal or the principal. NATO nonimmigrant through whom you derive ... or... immigration news in florida 7380 Sand Lake Rd., Suite # 500, Orlando, FL 32819. Tel: 407-352-3223 ..... at NATO/HQ SACT, 7857 Blandy Road, Suite 100, ATTN: Legal Affairs, Norfolk, ... www.greencardus.net/news.html - Cached "Blandy" seems to be a name revered by WWII naval memory, I remember a Blandy Road (a 7857 Blandy Road China Lake is referenced in the google search) in China Lake, California: originally China Lake NOTS (Naval Ordinance Test Station), then China Lake NWC (Naval Weapons Center), now I believe it is China Lake NAWS (Naval Air Weapons Station?).
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show.
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10-06-2010, 06:29 PM
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William H. P. Blandy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._P._Blandy
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show.
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10-06-2010, 08:04 PM
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I made my way up White Rock without any real problems and being a little less traffic, I saw less aghast people. As I passed a sign waver on the corner of White Rock and Sunrise, many people were staring at me from inside and outside of the Burger King on the corner. I guess those sign wavers do really get people's attention. By now, my shoulder is showing signs of wear from the sling, and I've slowed a little in pace. My one bottle of water is nearing the end, and it's still plenty hot. I was sweating profusely, and my upper shirt was half drenched. It was about here when I started questioning my ability to make the gun range, as my legs were tired, and i was developing some blisters on the feet. I pressed on, and only ran across a road construction crew alongside Sunrise Blvd. One hard hat guy smiled and waved. I could now see the gun range ahead and tried to pick up my pace after downing the last swig of water. The range is set back on Douglas, and I decided to take a shortcut through the open field as opposed to going all the way around. After about ten or so minutes of trudging through dried grass and weeds, I noticed I was suddenly amid broken skeet. A quick look around and I realized I was at the outer end of the shotgun range, and luckily nobody was using it. I tried a course deviation that would take me along the outer edges of the broken skeet pattern, and then walked up behind that part of the range. Somewhere along here a rangemaster met me and asked why I was on the range like that. I told him I had no idea that was the case until I saw the skeet, and also told him there was not fences or even a sign anywhere from that direction. He started telling me that I shouldn't walk on any fields out here because there was no public land, and that it was all private yada yadda..(not true either, as there is a huge regional park just up the street). So then he asked how I got there, and I told him I walked. Then he asked me a rhetorical question in regards to whether I walked with my rifle that way, and didn't the cops meet up with me. I mentioned that I had encountered the police, and that it was not particularly pleasant, but I made the trip anyway. Next, he asked why I was here. I told him I came to use the rifle range, to which he said that they might not let me shoot because I broke the rules and was on the skeet range. I reminded him I was not aware that I was entering the range, and reminded him again that there were no signs or fences, and also asked what happens if some kids get in there that way. As we walked towards the office he asked how was I getting back, and by now, I wasn't sure if I was able to walk, so I told him it depended on how I felt after I shoot. He once again made a comment about maybe I wasn't going to be able to use the range because of the manner in which I arrived. After a minute he said they were going to let me shoot, but handed me a one page document in relation to the rules, and demanded I read the entire thing first. No problem; and nothing on their about open carry, but you could tell that was an issue now. He asked if I had hearing protection, and I pointed to the counter where I had placed my equipment. He said he could rent me some if I didn't have any, and then made a point of telling me he could sell me a case for the rifle, and stood there with this condescending look waiting for me to answer that "with ok, let me see what you got." You could tell that this sort of public display is not something they care for, and certainly don't like. I was a bit taken aback by this flavor at a gun shop. I paid my range fees, bought another bottle of water and headed out. From here it was clear sailing with the exception of too much sweat getting in my eyes for the next 30 minutes or so, and in my tired and weakened condition, the steel buttplate on my rifle quickly took a toll on my shoulder. The light t-shirt was no help either. There was no 1 inch grouping today, but did manage to keep them all on the target and within acceptable game kill standards at 100 yards. I called for a ride home, and my wife came shortly after. The walk was over ten miles, and I'd place it closer to eleven with all the zig-zagging. I'm definately out of shape and requiring some rest today, but planning to make the trip again soon, although I am going to give the dispatchers a courtesy call next tim
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10-10-2010, 12:51 PM
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I'm surprised the press wasn't out to take manipulative images of you wearing cuffs while negatively ensconsed in the back of a patrol car or "interview" you for statements to be edited out of context - film at 11.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show.
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10-10-2010, 06:07 PM
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A police scanner would have been fun to bring along, but some Cops see carrying a gun, and a scanner as trouble...
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10-24-2010, 07:04 AM
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As a supporter of open carry, I don't fault AG in conducting himself lawfully as he clearly did. In the course of events, his civil rights were violated... The supreme court has already ruled in Florida v J.L. that an anonymous tip describing innocent behavior is not sufficient cause to justify a search. In U.S. v Ubilies they ruled that mere possession of a firearm is not evidence that a crime is afoot. And in Arizona v Hicks, probable cause applies only to things in plain view.... So it didnt matter that 911 got one call or forty calls identifying AG as a gunman. The only thing that these officers were authorized to do was inspect the loaded condition of the firearm per 12031. But even this is wrong, because 12031 creates a 'statutory' version of probable cause- its clearly a violation of the 4A. While the easiest thing to do to avoid controversy or another police encounter is not to ever do this again, it is impossible to effect the change in police attitudes and policies without challenging them. By being good sheep (BAAAAAh- BAAAAAAh) we only encourage the authorities to continue to do as they have learned that they could do. That challenge can come with a litigant prepared to sue or at the direction of our legislature prepared to inhibit the actions of police to strict Constitutional limits. Guess which one will never happen in California. Perhaps when the weather breaks or spring comes, I'll join him with my Mosin-Nagant slung with the bolt removed.
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10-24-2010, 01:44 PM
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A lot of Supreme Court decisions take an abundance of concentrated reading to understand them. They were built on previous decisions, and I believe some were reinterpreted or at least attempted to be overturned by later Supreme Courts.
And I believe some state and territorial statutes will stand - one part of the search might be unconstitutional concerning federal statute, but might hold up under state or territorial statute. Instead of being convicted under several laws, one might be convicted on one law concerning the same search. I would have to be much better educated in Law to know that for certain. The Ayatolla certainly didn't commit this violation: Quote:
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I do have a concern with trigger happy cops. A passed out woman in a car in Riverside was riddled with bullets after one cop broke a side window to gain entry and the woman reportedly moved. The family member who called out of concern for the woman's welfare stated that the woman had a gun, the cops claimed to have seen one on the woman's lap. Was a handgun visible through the window, was one under the seat, or not finding one in the vehicle, was it planted after the fact? Only those cops know for sure. All it takes is for one to open up, and they all fire multiple rounds. I knew a man who became suicidal and holed up in a motel. His wife called the police out of concern for his welfare. The police broke into his room and shot him to death.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show.
Last edited by ilbegone; 10-24-2010 at 01:57 PM.
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