YAAAAA!!! Arizona passes strict illegal immigration act

[usa today]

Personally I feel this "profiling" Bs is way out of control

Since most illegal in Az and indeed in the US are hispanic , they should "reasonably" all be suspect

Besides , If I get pulled over I have to produce ID

And before anyone spouts off , I was "profiled" as looking like someone robbing 7-11s , I just produced my Id , explained where I was and where I was going and I was on my way.

If you want to put the heat on illegals , or the greatest amount of them , yes , you start profiling and you don't stop.

[PochoPatriot]

One of the reasons that this bill is so appalling to me is that it trades innocent until proven guilty for a temporary respite from the illegal invasion. Benjamin Franklin once said, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

As I said earlier, this bill's intentions are admirable, but the language is abominable.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

We are living in a different time, and desperate times call for desperate measures. If we stay on the same road we're on, and do not change our approach to dealing with the illegals, we will lose all. So is it better to give some to save the rest, or to not give any and lose it all?

Things just can's stay the same, and we can't keep the status quo.

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

We are living in a different time, and desperate times call for desperate measures. If we stay on the same road we're on, and do not change our approach to dealing with the illegals, we will lose all. So is it better to give some to save the rest, or to not give any and lose it all?

Things just can's stay the same, and we can't keep the status quo.

On this, I respectfully agree to disagree. It's a slippery slope once you start lowering LE standards. I refuse to give any essential liberties for temporary security.

[usa today]

Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

On this, I respectfully agree to disagree. It's a slippery slope once you start lowering LE standards. I refuse to give any essential liberties for temporary security.

Bottom line its simple , produce a valid ID , not a problem , I would think in most cases even without Id if your a legal resident it wouldn't be more than a minor inconvenience to produce "papers",

Nobody is talking about outlawing "mexicans" or anyone else , Or taking away anyones rights , (unless your here illegally)


"I refuse to give any essential liberties for temporary security"
As a legal citizen exactly what are you being ask to give up?

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by usa today

Bottom line its simple , produce a valid ID , not a problem , I would think in most cases even without Id if your a legal resident it wouldn't be more than a minor inconvenience to produce "papers",

Nobody is talking about outlawing "mexicans" or anyone else , Or taking away anyones rights , (unless your here illegally)


"I refuse to give any essential liberties for temporary security"
As a legal citizen exactly what are you being ask to give up?

I thought I made my concerns clear in my initial post. Was there something that you needed clarification on?

[usa today]

Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

I thought I made my concerns clear in my initial post. Was there something that you needed clarification on?

Yes there is

You sound like an illegal sympathizer

Bottom line legal Hispanics have little to fear , If ask for your id , it should be about a 2 minute deal and your on your way

Small price to pay to get rid of mass numbers of illegals

I had no problem being profiled and id'ed , why do you ?

Or is it the la raza thing ? You still have a soft spot for the invaders?(hispanic only)


What ever it takes guy , what ever it takes
Profile every hispanic in this country , you won't get an argument from me since they are the BIGGEST violators of immigration laws.

[Mikell]

Cops are not pulling over people DWB. Probable cause still exists. What this law does is allow officers to ask immigration status when there is probable cause to stop someone. Anyone.
Before they could only do that if a crime was committed.


Great video! Arizona Senator Russell Pearce nails an open borders advocate.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/...ion.debate.cnn

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by usa today

Personally I feel this "profiling" Bs is way out of control

Since most illegal in Az and indeed in the US are hispanic , they should "reasonably" all be suspect

Besides , If I get pulled over I have to produce ID

And before anyone spouts off , I was "profiled" as looking like someone robbing 7-11s , I just produced my Id , explained where I was and where I was going and I was on my way.

If you want to put the heat on illegals , or the greatest amount of them , yes , you start profiling and you don't stop.

Sure, being pulled over and having to produce an ID is not the presumption of guilt. Yes, profiling is a fundamental part of criminal investigation. The word "profiling" has been twisted to mean something entirely different. It has been used to make people forget that at one time, you could be harrased by the police if you were found in a white neighborhood and you were an African American. And of course at one time in the Jim Crow south, it was genuinely against the law to be black and in certain places, using certain facilities that were supposed to be white only.