Citing police abuse, Hispanics leaving Conn. town

[Mikell]

While Puerto Ricans cannot vote in presidential or congressional elections, they do vote on a representative in DC. In other words he is legal.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Mikell

While Puerto Ricans cannot vote in presidential or congressional elections, they do vote on a representative in DC. In other words he is legal.

When I read that article I thought somewhat the same thing. Puerto Ricans are not illegals. Just about everyone knows that, and I would assume the police would know that too. So the first thought in my mind was that the guy was not actually telling the complete story of what happened to him. It often happens nowadays that Hispanics/Latinos will use the victim/race card to defend everything they do and make the evil LEO the bad guy. This is so questionable.

[Ayatollahgondola]

The real story is:

Look how far north east they had to go to get a story about possible discrimination and mistreatment towards hispanics in America. Some small hamlet in connecticut where the population is about the same as the average ambient temperature. But they're going to extrapolate this into it being what happens everywhere, and as such no one should be able to arrest, deport, or even look sideways at a hispanic person to set the country straight again
Oh my! Am I even allowed to use that term? Set the country straight again...

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

When I read that article I thought somewhat the same thing. Puerto Ricans are not illegals. Just about everyone knows that, and I would assume the police would know that too. So the first thought in my mind was that the guy was not actually telling the complete story of what happened to him. It often happens nowadays that Hispanics/Latinos will use the victim/race card to defend everything they do and make the evil LEO the bad guy. This is so questionable.

Yet another good reason to cut Puerto Rico and the rest of the US "territories" loose.

The race card is good only as much as anyone pays attention to it. There is absolutely no reason why race should be any kind of issue in enforcing against illegal immigration. Language is more important and language should not be the first point of enforcement either. But if you can't speak English, you cannot be a US citizen.

[ilbegone]

I think the story is bullshit myself. If it's true, there are plenty of legal remedies to be applied, and this would be a classic example of something the ACLU would throw itself into. No need for the Justice Department to waste taxpayer dollars on something so many "immigration rights" attorneys would maybe do for free.

But if you can't speak English, you cannot be a US citizen.

Tell that to the multitude of naturalized citizens who have been here for thirty years or so and can't put a sentence together in English.

The fact that they are non English speaking citizens is not their fault - that sin squarely lies on the English speaking American citizen "civil servants" who granted them citizenship.

What to fix illegal immigration? Make it painful for government employees to ignore immigration and naturalization law.

Otherwise all the bitching is merely a volume of hot air, nothing will change.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

I think the story is bullshit myself. If it's true, there are plenty of legal remedies to be applied, and this would be a classic example of something the ACLU would throw itself into. No need for the Justice Department to waste taxpayer dollars on something so many "immigration rights" attorneys would maybe do for free.



Tell that to the multitude of naturalized citizens who have been here for thirty years or so and can't put a sentence together in English.

The fact that they are non English speaking citizens is not their fault - that sin squarely lies on the English speaking American citizen "civil servants" who granted them citizenship.

What to fix illegal immigration? Make it painful for government employees to ignore immigration and naturalization law.

Otherwise all the bitching is merely a volume of hot air, nothing will change.

I have to disagree with you on whose fault it is that so many can't speak English. What I've found here in Fillmore and just about everywhere I go is that most who are bilingual, especially those that are bilingual in English and Spanish, will only speak English if they have to. So when speaking to others even if both are bilingual, they will speak in Spanish.
The question is "How do you learn a language?" The answer is "By being around it and using it." The problem is those that can teach others don't want the others to learn English, or don't really care if they learn it. They actually have an obligation to teach English to those around them to help them assimilate, yet they couldn't care less. Yes, I am of the opinion that it is their fault. They don't bother teaching the parents or their kids, so the kids start school and require extra effort by the teachers, which costs the taxpayer.

I can tell you that every day when I'm out and about, I see the same thing; people speaking Spanish to each other, but when they turn to address me, then and only then do they speak English. This goes for the bank tellers to the grocery clerks and everyone in between. They will only speak English if they have to. They really want to let everyone know they are "Their People".

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

I have to disagree with you on whose fault it is that so many can't speak English. What I've found here in Fillmore and just about everywhere I go is that most who are bilingual, especially those that are bilingual in English and Spanish, will only speak English if they have to. So when speaking to others even if both are bilingual, they will speak in Spanish.
The question is "How do you learn a language?" The answer is "By being around it and using it." The problem is those that can teach others don't want the others to learn English, or don't really care if they learn it. They actually have an obligation to teach English to those around them to help them assimilate, yet they couldn't care less. Yes, I am of the opinion that it is their fault. They don't bother teaching the parents or their kids, so the kids start school and require extra effort by the teachers, which costs the taxpayer.

I can tell you that every day when I'm out and about, I see the same thing; people speaking Spanish to each other, but when they turn to address me, then and only then do they speak English. This goes for the bank tellers to the grocery clerks and everyone in between. They will only speak English if they have to. They really want to let everyone know they are "Their People".

Most don't want to learn English, and generally will only learn enough to get by. That is their fault.

However it is the fault of American government employees to grant citizenship to people who can't communicate in English, as well as those American persons and institutions who cater to foreigners who refuse to learn the language.

The Germans, Italians, and many of the others were forced to learn English by American society in the past. Society is not now forcing English on foreigners from Latin America. Who's fault is that?

Here is the point:

What to fix illegal immigration? Make it painful for government employees to ignore immigration and naturalization law.

Otherwise all the bitching is merely a volume of hot air, nothing will change.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

Most don't want to learn English, and generally will only learn enough to get by. That is their fault.

However it is the fault of American government employees to grant citizenship to people who can't communicate in English, as well as those American persons and institutions who cater to foreigners who refuse to learn the language.

The Germans, Italians, and many of the others were forced to learn English by American society in the past. Society is not now forcing English on foreigners from Latin America. Who's fault is that?

Here is the point:

Well, we both may be correct. You're viewing it from a larger scale, and I'm viewing it from a micro. They are both missing in our society today.