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Old 07-12-2011, 01:28 PM
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I have thought about the far left and the far right. I have decided that the far part is the problem.
I have a similar conclusion. If you take either one far enough, they start sounding exactly alike and if you look close enough, you realize they sound alike everywhere. The "left" and the "right" are basically the same people, Tweedledum and Tweedledee, and they are the only ones who can tell each other apart. Or care.

It's the "two party system".
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Old 07-12-2011, 02:33 PM
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I have thought about the far left and the far right. I have decided that the far part is the problem.
Rimo, that's so true, but right now we have a far left administration and we're seeing the results. If it were the far right we'd have other problems I'd be very unhappy with as well. Extremes tend to do that.
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:09 AM
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Dear Fellow concerned Americans:

For several years our government has sponsored, and paid for, the returm air fare of Mexican Nationals who desire to return voluntarily. This progran occurs during the hottest and most dangerous summer months where the temperature and dehydrationh kills returnees in the desert.
Mexican Nationals only have to return to Arizona where they can hop a plane back to Mexico. In Mexico there are provisions to disperse the returnees to various pueblos free and without recriminations at all.

This program endures 80 days and terminates on the 28th of September, 2011. Returnees must find their own way back to Arizona and apply for repatriation.

Enclosed is a "Notice" that explains the circumstances and gives a contact for reservaions - AGAIN - without tricks or recriminations. This is an honest, heads up, offer that can be trusted and backed by the credibility of the Government of the United States. Copy and hand out in your area . This is not to "trap"culprits but to rather facilitate the safe passage of sincere foreigners.



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The Government of the United States, ICE Immigration and Customs Enforcement, has a program to assist Mexican nationals who wish to return to Mexico voluntarily. This provides free air transportation from Arizona to Mexico's capital and includes inland local bus transport for some pueblos in Mexico. Mexican citizens who wish to participate will need to travel to Arizona to be listed on flights which will occur at the rate of one per week lasting 80 days and ending September 28, 2011. This year's program is sponsored from Yuma and Tucson.


Chief Patrol Agent: Randy R. Hill , CBP


Sector Headquarters Location: 2430 S. Swan Road, Tucson, Arizona 85711


(520) 670-6871





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El gobierno de los Estados Unidos, de la inmigración del ICE y de la aplicación de los costumbres, tiene un programa para asistir a los nacionales mexicanos que desean volver a México voluntariamente. Esto proporciona el transporte libre del aire del Arizona a México capital e incluye el transporte interior del autobús local para algunos pueblos en México. Los ciudadanos mexicanos que desean participar necesitarán viajar al Arizona que se enumerará en los vuelos que ocurrirán en el índice de uno por la semana que dura 80 días y terminar el 28 de septiembre de 2011. Este programa se patrocina de Yuma y de Tucson.


Principal agente de la patrulla: Randy R. Hill, CBP


El sector establece jefatura de la localización: 2430 S. Camino del Swan, Tucson, Arizona 85711


(520) 670-6871








William E. Tibbe


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Old 07-13-2011, 11:45 AM
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Dear Fellow concerned Americans:

For several years our government has sponsored, and paid for, the returm air fare of Mexican Nationals who desire to return voluntarily. This progran occurs during the hottest and most dangerous summer months where the temperature and dehydrationh kills returnees in the desert.

Mexican Nationals only have to return to Arizona where they can hop a plane back to Mexico. In Mexico there are provisions to disperse the returnees to various pueblos free and without recriminations at all.

This program endures 80 days and terminates on the 28th of September, 2011. Returnees must find their own way back to Arizona and apply for repatriation.

Enclosed is a "Notice" that explains the circumstances and gives a contact for reservaions - AGAIN - without tricks or recriminations. This is an honest, heads up, offer that can be trusted and backed by the credibility of the Government of the United States. Copy and hand out in your area . This is not to "trap"culprits but to rather facilitate the safe passage of sincere foreigners.

Notice

The Government of the United States, ICE Immigration and Customs Enforcement, has a program to assist Mexican nationals who wish to return to Mexico voluntarily. This provides free air transportation from Arizona to Mexico's capital and includes inland local bus transport for some pueblos in Mexico. Mexican citizens who wish to participate will need to travel to Arizona to be listed on flights which will occur at the rate of one per week lasting 80 days and ending September 28, 2011. This year's program is sponsored from Yuma and Tucson.

Chief Patrol Agent: Randy R. Hill , CBP

Sector Headquarters Location: 2430 S. Swan Road,
Tucson, Arizona 85711

(520) 670-6871

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William E. Tibbe

Operations Manager
That sounds good, but when we say without recrimination, do we mean they are not documented as being in the country illegally? Because otherwise, what is to prevent them from coming in again illegally? This should be run as an amnesty, where the criminal behavior is documented, but criminal charges are waived on the condition of leaving the country, never to come back and to be excluded from any further consideration of legal entry or citizenship.

What is the meaning of "William E. Tibbe, Operations Manager"?
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Old 07-14-2011, 04:54 AM
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Twoller:

Thanks for your interest.

Only Mexican Nationals who do not have a criminal record are eligible.

Naturally we know that they steal identities and carry multiple counterfeit documents.

The part about no recriminations means that there are no tricks. Some LEO's advertise prize winners to lure culprits in who have the cuffs slapped on them. This programs isn't intended for such chicanery. It is straight up. Lamentably many Mexicans and OTM's will try to game the system, and most probably enjoy a free ride home only to return soon.

ICE, CBO, Homeland Security will surely ID the travellers for future reference.

Unfortunately Immigration and Customs laws are not being enforced so we can deal with what is available.


William E. Tibbe, Operations Manager is the main POC for Citizens Civil Defense, a collaboration with the FBI for Infrastructure protection. CCD estimats that there are possibly 600,000 network partners.

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Old 07-14-2011, 07:39 AM
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Only Mexican Nationals who do not have a criminal record are eligible.

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ICE, CBO, Homeland Security will surely ID the travellers for future reference.

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This is where we keep falling short. People who are in the country illegally are criminals. If we provide for transportation of illegals out of the country, it should function as an amnesty program. The illegals admit to being criminals, assume the status of a criminal in the eyes of our government for all further reference, but we do not prosecute them. This is amnesty.

Since they admit to being criminals, then if they try to come back in for another free plane ride, they will be ineligible because they are admited criminals.

But the program has no real appeal or function unless we are actually enforcing the law against illegal entry and residence in the US. Once we start doing that in earnest, we might be able to expand the program for other countries like Asia, Africa and Europe.

This would be amnesty I think everyone here could stand behind.
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Old 07-14-2011, 07:43 AM
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... This should be run as an amnesty, where the criminal behavior is documented, but criminal charges are waived on the condition of leaving the country, never to come back and to be excluded from any further consideration of legal entry or citizenship.

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This is not right. I should have said, "... but criminal charges are not prosecuted on the condition of leaving the country, ..."
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Repatriation Flights of Undocumented Immigrants Expected to Cost U.S. More than $9M in 2011
With cooperation from the Mexican government, the voluntary repatriation of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. by bus and plane has resumed.
For undocumented immigrants caught at the border, the program flies them to Mexico City, on a voluntary basis. The location was chosen because it is about 1,000 miles from the border and reduces the chance that one of the migrants with attempt to sneak back over the border again, said Vincent Picard, a spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) based in Phoenix.
Once in Mexico City they are given bus tickers to return to their hometown.
“It breaks the link between the smuggled alien and the criminal smuggling organization that marches aliens through the desert, risking their lives through the extreme temperatures that Arizona brings in the summertime,” Picard told The Arizona Republic.
This program will run until September 28th, with an expected cost $9 million to $11 million.
And though this happens with the cooperation of the Mexican government, the U.S. pays for the cost of the plane and bus tickets.
Last year, 23,384 undocumented border crossers were returned to Mexico at a cost of $14.8 million to the United States.

Plan that flies immigrants to Mexico City resumes

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...#ixzz1SCXqwMml

The United States has resumed an 8-year-old program that flies undocumented immigrants, caught at the border, to Mexico City during the hot summer months as part of an effort to stem illegal immigration, thwart smuggling organizations and prevent migrant deaths.
The voluntary program, operated by Immigration and Customs Enforcement, will run through Sept. 28 and is expected to cost $9 million to $11 million, said Vincent Picard, a spokesman for ICE based in Phoenix.
Under the program, undocumented immigrants from central and southern states in Mexico apprehended by the Border Patrol are given the opportunity to fly on a chartered flight from Tucson to Mexico City, where they are given bus tickets to return to their hometowns.
Ordinarily, undocumented immigrants from Mexico caught by the Border Patrol are simply returned to Mexico through ports along the border, where many simply reconnect with smugglers and attempt to cross illegally again.
Flying immigrants to Mexico City, more than 1,000 miles away, reduces the chance the migrant will try to sneak across the border again, Picard said.
"It breaks the link between the smuggled alien and the criminal smuggling organization that marches aliens through the desert, risking their lives through the extreme temperatures that Arizona brings in the summertime," Picard said.
From Oct. 1, 2010, through the end of June, 128 migrants have died in the Arizona desert, according to the website No More Deaths, a humanitarian group based in Tucson that tracks migrant deaths.
The repatriation program is run with the cooperation of the Mexican government.
But the U.S. pays for the cost of the flights and the bus tickets.
Mexican consular officials interview all migrants before they board the flights to make sure they are participating voluntarily, Picard said.
"Indeed, this program is one more example of how cooperation between our countries can lead to solutions to common problems," Salvador Beltran del Rio, commissioner of Mexico's National Migration Institute, said in a written statement.
The first flight left Tucson International Airport on Monday with 88 people aboard, Picard said.
Last year, the U.S. government returned 23,384illegal border crossers to Mexico under the program at a cost of $14.8 million, Picard said. Last year's program ran for 120 days and began on June 1, a month earlier than this year.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...#ixzz1SCXizLOX
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:54 PM
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Under the program, undocumented immigrants from central and southern states in Mexico apprehended by the Border Patrol are given the opportunity to fly on a chartered flight from Tucson to Mexico City, where they are given bus tickets to return to their hometowns.

Ordinarily, undocumented immigrants from Mexico caught by the Border Patrol are simply returned to Mexico through ports along the border, where many simply reconnect with smugglers and attempt to cross illegally again.

Flying immigrants to Mexico City, more than 1,000 miles away, reduces the chance the migrant will try to sneak across the border again, Picard said.

"It breaks the link between the smuggled alien and the criminal smuggling organization that marches aliens through the desert, risking their lives through the extreme temperatures that Arizona brings in the summertime," Picard said.
From Oct. 1, 2010, through the end of June, 128 migrants have died in the Arizona desert, according to the website No More Deaths, a humanitarian group based in Tucson that tracks migrant deaths.

The repatriation program is run with the cooperation of the Mexican government.

But the U.S. pays for the cost of the flights and the bus tickets.


Mexican consular officials interview all migrants before they board the flights to make sure they are participating voluntarily, Picard said.

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If we have to catch them first, then this is not an amnesty program. Nobody who is actually caught by the US border patrol should be eligible for this program. Only those who voluntarily turn themselves in.

Shipping them back to their native towns is a good idea, but why does it have to be a plane ride? We bus them from Mexico City to their native town, why not bus them all the way back? It would be a lot cheaper.

Notice the Mexican consulate has to decided they want to make sure this is voluntary. That makes sense, we need permission to transport criminals prosecuted in the US through foreign territory.
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