Riverside California Brown Berets vs NSM

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by LAPhil

You consider those to be redeeming qualities? You could have said that same thing about the Nazis in Germany in the 1930's. I'm kind of surprised at your answer, Jean.

I think the question was in response to "there is much in the Nazis to be admired, and you asked "such as". So in my error, I was responding to what the skin heads had done that ran counter to the sheeple of today's society. They have been brainwashed, but not by the Anti-American teachings of our schools. And they are willing to put their bodies on the line and not just cry from afar. They have a twisted sense of loyalty, but then so do the Brown Berets who are told and treated as such great protectors of Mexican culture. When you separate the message from the situation, and your bias is not there the two have very little difference between them.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

I think the question was in response to "there is much in the Nazis to be admired, and you asked "such as". So in my error, I was responding to what the skin heads had done that ran counter to the sheeple of today's society. They have been brainwashed, but not by the Anti-American teachings of our schools. And they are willing to put their bodies on the line and not just cry from afar. They have a twisted sense of loyalty, but then so do the Brown Berets who are told and treated as such great protectors of Mexican culture. When you separate the message from the situation, and your bias is not there the two have very little difference between them.

Well, some of these nazi/skinheads may just have a different brand of brainwashing.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Well, some of these nazi/skinheads may just have a different brand of brainwashing.

Yes, that's what I meant by they are brainwashed, just not Anti-American brainwashed which is being done in our schools and through the media.

[LAPhil]

OK Jean, I feel better now. I guess you were referring to skinheads in general who are like Nazis in a lot of ways but aren't exactly the same as the Hitler Youth of the 1930's. You have to understand that from my Jewish perspective your answer was just a little hard for me to take. Anything that sounds like sympathy for Nazis tends to make me a little edgy.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by LAPhil

OK Jean, I feel better now. I guess you were referring to skinheads in general who are like Nazis in a lot of ways but aren't exactly the same as the Hitler Youth of the 1930's. You have to understand that from my Jewish perspective your answer was just a little hard for me to take. Anything that sounds like sympathy for Nazis tends to make me a little edgy.

I understand that.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

Yes, that's what I meant by they are brainwashed, just not Anti-American brainwashed which is being done in our schools and through the media.

Well,...uh...maybe....uh...I don't know if some of their activities are all that American either. Hell, some of them salute that nazi flag, and that seems pretty much a foriegn one to me. But I see what you mean, and I think we are in a good spot to offer a different option to those who may be joining up with the racialist crowd because they reject the brainwashing you're referring to, but lack a proactive alternative other than the white nationalists, supremacists, and related.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Well,...uh...maybe....uh...I don't know if some of their activities are all that American either. Hell, some of them salute that nazi flag, and that seems pretty much a foriegn one to me. But I see what you mean, and I think we are in a good spot to offer a different option to those who may be joining up with the racialist crowd because they reject the brainwashing you're referring to, but lack a proactive alternative other than the white nationalists, supremacists, and related.

Yes, that's exactly correct. And many in society are taking notice of the double standard. These wantabe Nazis are acting out, yet have attached themselves to something very ugly. But in today's society, being attached to something misplaced or ugly can be considered cool in some circles. Look at what rap or devil worship, some consider themselves avant guarde and at the forefront of cool. Maybe these Nazi wantabees are using this to belong to something. Where can someone who is not a minority go besides joining the openborders/love everyone but myself crowd. Yes, there's the Minutemen or other such orgs, but they may not be radical enough for these guys and don't identify with being White. And the Klan just hides under a sheet like cowards. These guys probably were outcasts at some point, and may feel they've found other fellow outcasts that they can be part of. Kind of like a gang, and just belonging.