Ayatollah's Amnesty Battle Advice

[Greg in LA]

I tried the 12-20 million new gun owners in the poorest neighborhoods in America. I have to say it came off of my tongue smoothly and the call takers at Feinslime and Boxers office actually listened.

I think I'm reserving this argument for the Democrat's, because they're the ones who want gun control and less guns.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Greg in LA

I tried the 12-20 million new gun owners in the poorest neighborhoods in America. I have to say it came off of my tongue smoothly and the call takers at Feinslime and Boxers office actually listened.

I think I'm reserving this argument for the Democrat's, because they're the ones who want gun control and less guns.

I'd say the republicans have villainized the democrats as being anti gun, the same way the democrats have villainized the republicans as being anti immigrant. I think the truth is though, that by the time you reach the stature and power of congressperson or senator, you fear an armed populace equally so, whether you are a democrat or a republican. That's one of the inherent seductions of power and priviledge. But relating to your strategy, I think that republicans being more law 'n' order oriented, might be as receptive to pause on the amnesty steam roller to address this unplanned problem. Rubio, for instance, is in Florida, a state with a lot of illegals, gun crimes, and an earlier history of foreign drug gangs fighting it out on the streets of large cities. Even a war mongering latino panderer like him remembers how bad the violence was back then, and might not want to revive those days again.
You just have to remind him, and other republicans that these people have been taught that the federal laws can be ignored. We've conditioned them to corruption. Now we're going to allow them to arm themselves legally, within our communities.

[LAPhil]

I'm having trouble understanding the connection between the guns and amnesty issues. Are we assuming that more illegal aliens = more illegal guns? Or just more guns, period? I don't see how that follows.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by LAPhil

I'm having trouble understanding the connection between the guns and amnesty issues. Are we assuming that more illegal aliens = more illegal guns? Or just more guns, period? I don't see how that follows.

Each illegal alien that is granted lawful status, ie a green card, is good to buy guns in the entire US. Immediately. And these are green card holders, not citizens. And these are green card holders that previously thumbed their noses at the law....federal law, and in many cases have been spared gun prohibiting prosecutions in previous encounters with the law so as not to trigger deportation proceedings.

[Ayatollahgondola]

I might also add that green card holders don't necessarily learn the responsibilities that accompany the second amendment. Citizens learn it in school, and immigrants learn it to pass the naturalization process. Green card holders learn about guns elsewhere. In your area, they'd be learning from fellow mexicans, gang members, etc. I predict an enormous amount of Obama's grantees would fall victim to gang members getting them to buy guns for them.

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Each illegal alien that is granted lawful status, ie a green card, is good to buy guns in the entire US. Immediately. And these are green card holders, not citizens. And these are green card holders that previously thumbed their noses at the law....federal law, and in many cases have been spared gun prohibiting prosecutions in previous encounters with the law so as not to trigger deportation proceedings.

I think I see what you're saying, but you seem to be assuming that the ability of newly legalized illegals to access guns would make a difference in the thinking of the pro-amnesty lobby. I doubt that it would.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by LAPhil

I think I see what you're saying, but you seem to be assuming that the ability of newly legalized illegals to access guns would make a difference in the thinking of the pro-amnesty lobby. I doubt that it would.

No, Phil. I'm thinking it will make a difference to elite lawmakers

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

No, Phil. I'm thinking it will make a difference to elite lawmakers

Really? I don't know why it would just now be occurring to them, but I'm sure they'll find a way to spin it if the issue is ever raised publicly. Frankly I don't even know why they would ever connect amnesty with guns. This is the first time I'm aware of anyone bringing up the issue of guns in all of the arguments which have been made vis-a-vis amnesty over the last 30 years.

[Greg in LA]

Ayatollah, You have a lot of great suggestions as well as a lot of original thinking about different strategy in posting doubt into the minds of Senators.

I'm quite sure that they are well aware of our calls and our opposition and the intensity that we exert in fighting the amnesty proposal. I think sheer numbers of calls and call volume also register.

What I doubt though is if they are really listening to our reasons and our arguments against the legalization. We are not going to change the minds of Boxer, Feinslime, Rubio, McCain, Grahamnesty, ETC.

I feel like my calls are just to add to the overall intensity of the outcry against the amnesty. Just to get Rubio's office to understand that his reputation is being reduced among the Republican ranks to "Treason". I think they register the hatred that they are cultivating.

When I call I also feel like I'm a kind of "Tokyo Rose", with my daily calls to demoralize the call takers. Lately I relish anouncing which Republican Senators have come out against the amnesty, or called Rubio "Naive".
That makes the call takers feel like their losing and more isolated. They don't argue back. I want them to feel "Alone" against our on-slot.