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10-30-2010, 06:55 PM
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This has been going on for so long that most people do not remember when it started, probably at least 35 years ago. 
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10-30-2010, 08:03 PM
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The United States of America is for citizens only! Everyone else OUT.
Criminalize asking party affilation for voter registration! End the "two party system"!
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10-31-2010, 05:11 AM
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Latinos souring on illegal immigration
Ryan Hagen, Staff Writer 10/30/2010 A new study shows Latinos have soured considerably on illegal immigration in the last three years. In 2007, 50 percent of Latinos surveyed told the Pew Hispanic Center that the growing number of illegal immigrants was a positive force for the existing Latino population. In a Pew survey released Thursday, that number had plummeted to 29 percent. Thirty-one percent said illegal immigration had a negative effect, and 20percent said it had no effect. While the wording of the question changed slightly in 2010 - striking the phrase "growing number" to reflect studies that show illegal immigration declining - several local advocates on different sides of the issue called the change in perception unsurprising. Those Inland Empire voices diverged significantly, however, when it came to explaining the shift and what it means for immigration policy. Raymond Herrera, president and founder of a Claremont-based group called We the People, California's Crusader, said political will has been shifting since 2004. Herrera said that's when activists like him began loudly calling for reform, slowly building what he said is a national consensus that illegal immigrants should be deported. "The Minutemen stood up six years ago and brought the awareness level to the American people," he said. "It is now at an apex where ... enough people have had their American dream stolen (by illegal immigrants)." The head of a center that provides legal and other assistance to immigrants disagreed. Emilio Amaya, executive director of the San Bernardino Community Resource Center, said the growing negative attitudes are an understandable but flawed response to a faltering economy. "In these difficult financial times, even immigrants see themselves competing against new immigrants," Amaya said. "(But) they don't really compete because most people, older immigrants, they already have different (job) skills." Amaya said illegal immigrants should be fined and "sent to the back of the line," matching the opinion of 53 percent of Latinos. The Pew survey found 13 percent of Latinos advocate deportation, while 28 percent said illegal immigrants should not be punished. Political and economic factors often shift Latino opinions of immigration, noted Cherstin Lyon, who studies at Cal State San Bernardino. "Mexican-American populations have been divided throughout the 20thcentury, and (opinions) largely changed since the 1970s," she said. "Most famously, Cesar Chavez came under intense attack from others within the Chicano movement because he ... encouraged punishments of those hiring illegal immigrants." Lyon had not yet read the study but said crackdowns - such as Arizona's S.B. 1070, which allows police to check immigration status if they suspect a person they've already stopped is in the country illegally - tend to encourage discrimination against Hispanic-looking people. However, 34 percent of Latinos said they, a family member or a close friend experienced discrimination because of their race or ethnic group in the last five years - up 2 percent from 2009, before Arizona's law was proposed. Pew surveyed 1,375 Latino adults in English and Spanish from Aug. 17 until Sept. 19. http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_16478933
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#4
10-31-2010, 05:24 AM
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I have to say that a lot of Americans do not seem to remember the beginning of this madness. It actually started in the 70s but it was so gradual most did not notice or maybe did not care.
Most of the Hispanic community are ok with it because, now grandpa and grandma, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles...........you get the picture, The whole community is here. Do you think they, the new comers care, I don't think so?
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#5
10-31-2010, 06:42 AM
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The ones first generation born in America of Mexican parents who remember the forties and fifties are getting old and with increasing frequency are mentioned in the obituary. They are the ones who had it hard with their in between-ness, and they and their descendants are not the same people who come here now, and they never were. There is a huge difference with time and former distance. I first saw illegals come to my semi isolated town in the middle seventies, when I first worked with them. I don't believe that even they were the same people who come here now, it seems there was a different attitude. In my experience, the flood gate opened just after the n1981 recession, when devaluation of the peso wiped out whatever incremental gains to a Mexican middle class since the revolution, and whatever money the poor managed to bury in jars became worthless. The failing of the American people in regards to illegal immigration lay not in those Mexicans, but in the business interest in bargain basement labor and politicians who refused to enforce the 1986 immigration law they themselves legislated. I believe that the collusion between business, government, and the co-opted educational system combined with what I believe to generally be a lower class of people immigrating than before - and in such volume since the 1986 amnesty - has resulted in such a wellspring of expectant entitlement and extended family ties which just weren't here before. The separateness for many born in America and those of extended generations is now pushed by both real ties and artificial means as well as persistent and contrived racial consciousness, but they aren't fully Mexican in the sense of culture or language, and they never will be. However illegal immigration is going to be resolved, no one on either side will be satisfied with the outcome, and there will be lingering pain and resentment. You can take that one to the bank.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show.
Last edited by ilbegone; 10-31-2010 at 06:58 AM.
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10-31-2010, 07:32 AM
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I am always kind of hot under the collar about illegal immigration because of what happened to my brother and his small business. I do not even pretend that I think I will be satisfied with what ever comes of the immigration out come. When you are as old as I am it is difficult to adjust to the attidute of people these days. Seems no one can be civil any more and I am not talking about this forum. I am glad you are here.
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10-31-2010, 11:23 AM
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None of it is easy for me. "They" took over a former trade of mine, and a lot of people I know are out of work while government, education, and business cater to "them" to the exclusion of "us", and "they" have screwed up a lot of stuff. However, I do like some of them (I have previously stated that I'm in a weird place in my head with Mexican nationals, all at the same time I love them and I hate them all) and I'm particularly partial to Mexican women - I like Mexican women. And with Elena, there is a lot of "Mexico" in my house, but it's not Mexico. In the meantime, it disturbs me when people - including some here - dump all my brown friends and Elena's relatives (over one hundred years and starting the sixth and seventh generations of the American experience) - who are citizens into the same "beaner bag" as illegals to be deported, just as it disturbs me when self appointed, race obsessed "Latino activists" presume to speak for everyone with a brown skin and Spanish last name while calling me a racist. It does seem that all the rude practices of the freeway has worked it way into our general society. You won't let me merge, so I cut you off while flipping you the bird. Then you work your way in front of me and slam on the brakes, then try to prevent my progress to the front of you. So, I either work my way illegally into the car pool lane lane in order to pass you up just after I maneuvered you over to be trapped in the far right lane or I reach under the seat and pull out... And if that doesn't quite describe our face to face manner, it certainly explains the results of anonymity on the internet.
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Freibier gab's gestern Hay burros en el maiz RAP IS TO MUSIC WHAT ETCH-A-SKETCH IS TO ART Don't drink and post. "A nickel will get you on the subway, but garlic will get you a seat." - Old New York Yiddish Saying "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra Old journeyman commenting on young apprentices - "Think about it, these are their old days" SOMETIMES IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Never, ever, wear a bright colored shirt to a stand up comedy show.
Last edited by ilbegone; 10-31-2010 at 12:36 PM.
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