BREAKING! Obama Papers Leaking Out! Birth Papers-School Papers Exposed!

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

Well, the Supreme Court has reached another conclusion but ...

You're giving me a non-responsive answer. I understand what you're saying. You believe where Obama was born is irrelevant for the purposes of his citizenship status. What I don't understand is how you feel Obama's father's lack of U.S. citizenship impacts his right to be President.

Let me narrow it down for you:


1) What do you believe is required for a person to be born a U.S. citizen?

2) Is there anything besides citizenship, based upon your understanding of the Constitution, required to hold the presidency?

I don't know why you keep bugging me about it. I've made myself perfectly clear on the subject and so is the constitution and its history, despite what the rat crackers in the supreme court say about it. If you value your own citizenship -- and not everybody does -- there is no other conclusion.

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Originally Posted by Twoller

I don't know why you keep bugging me about it. I've made myself perfectly clear on the subject and so is the constitution and its history, despite what the rat crackers in the supreme court say about it. If you value your own citizenship -- and not everybody does -- there is no other conclusion.

Dude, I'm not trying to bug you. Really. I'm trying to understand your position. You're not answering the questions I'm asking. Maybe I'm phrasing them poorly.

Look, I comprehend what you've said. You believe:

A. Where Obama was born is irrelevant for the purpose of his being able to occupy the White House.

B. People who value citizenship must reach the same conclusions on this issue as you have.

C. Not all people value their citizenship.

D. The Constitution is being subject to a misinterpretation (perversion)

E. You hold the members of the Supreme Court in low regard.


What I don't understand is why you believe he isn't a citizen. You've stated his father is a British citizen. How does that impact his ability to be the U.S. President?

I'll try to rephrase it ( I really want to understand your argument ).

Which of these do you believe is necessary to be born a U.S. citizen? -

A. One of your parents must be a United States citizen.

B. The child's father must be a United States citizen.

C. Both of your parents must be United States citizens.

D. One parent may be a United States citizen, and the other must have legal residence in the U.S.

E. Neither parent needs to be a United States citizen, but both must have legal residence in the U.S.

F. Other (please describe)


My second question is: Is there something else besides being born a U.S. citizen that is required to hold the presidency (Other than being 35 or older)?


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CF, please stop scattergun blast posting this thread with cut and pastes from Youtube, WND and writings from that Italian lawyer in Jersey who has an internet blog. I understand why you think Obama shouldn't be President. He was born in Kenya and this whole Hawaii story is a big fat fib, right? I get it. Your position is not lost on me; I'm trying to figure out Twoller's.

[Twoller]

This is from another thread,

Originally Posted by Twoller

This is BS. No child not born of two US citizens should be granted birthright citizenship and that child must be born in one of the United States of America. According to this bill, it is not even necessary for either parent to be a US citizen, all they have to do is be in the country legally. And furthermore, the bill should leave no doubt in anyone's mind that it is anything but a clarification of what should have been going from the beginning. It should leave open the possibility of being retroactive.

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Got it. Thank you. Now I get it. You need two citizen parents and birth in one of the 50 states.

OK, where did you get this notion? On what authority are you relying (If you're going to say the U.S. Constitution, please let me know which Article and Section)?

[Cruisingfool]

Your the attorney, please show us so we all satisfied!

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

Got it. Thank you. Now I get it. You need two citizen parents and birth in one of the 50 states.

OK, where did you get this notion? On what authority are you relying (If you're going to say the U.S. Constitution, please let me know which Article and Section)?

There is nothing more to be said to you. You obviously understand better than I that children who claim citizenship when their parents are not both citizens are complete and utter frauds.

You simply imagine that if you keep asking questions and tasking somebody with rhetoric that you can keep up the appearances of being right.

You aren't right. You are wrong. Claiming birthright citizenship in the US when both parents are not US citizenship spits on the institution of US citizenship without which there would be no constitution.

Posters like you are why we keep ignore lists on forums like this.

[DerailAmnesty.com]

So we're getting down to it now because you're getting awfully defensive.

You don't have authority, do you? You just don't like the idea of children of non-citizens being considered U.S. citizens born, right? Or am I mistaken? Can you tell me where in the Constitution (or any other federal law or case precedent) there's support for your idea that natural born citizens must be born inside a U.S. state and the offspring of citizen parents?

You're either holding the goods or you're not, it's that simple. Without legal authority, you're just stating how you would like the world to be, and all the Ignore Lists you can muster don't change that.

Sorry.

[ilbegone]

Like it or not, Obama is going to serve out his term. Nothing within the scope of the law short of unforeseen death due to accident or disease is going to change that fact.

Like it or not, and regardless of the background discussion concerning the 14th amendment before 19th century ratification, nothing is going to change the fact that each and every child born on US soil is an American citizen.

And to obsess on either one is a waste of time.

I'm not telling anyone what to do with their time (free individual choice), but I believe the focus should be on pursuing what might have a chance of being accomplished.

[The Mediator]

There is something wrong with this thread. Besides it having degraded to a very low point of discussion it is also having some software problems, so I'm closing it until it can be determined what went wrong with the software and whether it should be reopened.