Admission Day Proclamation

[Greg in LA]

Ayatollah, I have to admit that you're right about the apathy and laziness in regards to illegal immigration. Americans in California are sheep.

I was reading one article on Vdare.com that came to the conclusion that Mexicans in California are not the problem it's the Whites that are.

The reason I think succession in California will gain strength, is because of the fiscal problems and to some extent illegal immigration. If and when the debt problem in California becomes a real crisis and is unmanageable, Part of the state may need to succeed to escape the crushing debt. Cities can declare bankruptcy, but states can't. What I am saying is large parts of Ca may move to succeed to escape the crushing debt and thereby shoving the old debt onto the part that doesn't make the move. Areas might join the bandwagon of succession just to get out of the debt burdens. The new border lines may be greatly effected by Republican / Democratic areas and the constituency and demographics that make up those different groups.

I know that you're correct that this would lead to a whole new set of problems, buy if it is seen as financially expedient the issue might be seen as practical.

I would also like to know your thoughts on the political impact if the redistricting led to a 2/3 majority for the Democratic party. Do you think the cementing of one party rule in California would lead to some type of revolt?

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Greg in LA

Ayatollah, I have to admit that you're right about the apathy and laziness in regards to illegal immigration. Americans in California are sheep.

I was reading one article on Vdare.com that came to the conclusion that Mexicans in California are not the problem it's the Whites that are.

The reason I think succession in California will gain strength, is because of the fiscal problems and to some extent illegal immigration. If and when the debt problem in California becomes a real crisis and is unmanageable Part of the state may need to succeed to escape the crushing debt. Cities can declare bankruptcy, but states can't. What I am saying is large parts of Ca may move to succeed to escape the crushing debt and thereby shoving the old debt onto the part that doesn't make the move. Areas might join the bandwagon of succession just to get out of the debt burdens. The new border lines may be greatly effected by Republican / Democratic areas and the constituency and demographics that caters to those two groups.

I know that you're correct that this would lead to a whole new set of problems, buy if it is seen as financially expedient the issue might be seen as practical.

Greg,

First off, whites are not the problem; the problem is voters and citizens of the state who are all races. It matters not if you are white, black, brown, or yellow. what matters is that you don't get involved with your government.

secondly, if there ever was any succession, you can bet your ass it will be by a newer regional government that encompasses mexico and souther california, and not any citizens escaping debt. the open borders lobby has been setting the stage for something like this for two decades. they'd be the only ones to profit heavily from a collapsing California government. They're eager as hell to hear talk of succession, but they'd be rubbing their hands like flies on stinky sh!t. Our constitution would be lost, and some other wretched writ would be substituted in its' place, and that would not be something you would be celebrating.

[ilbegone]

Greg,

There is a notion of California succession which has been around something like 60 years, the name of it is Aztlan and "they" would be more than happy to jump on that bandwagon. And, in an interview a few years ago, Jose Angel Gutierrez predicted that America would soon be broke and that's when Aztlan would be established. In other words, they get nothing but an empty bag racial empire that the elderly architects of the empire still alive (such as Gutierrez himself) will, but probably no one else, be ecstatic with. Consider LA mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, former ruthless UCLA Mechista who went to school on the white man's money and who has followed the brown racist "plan" mapped out by original old school 1960's Chicanos throughout his political career and who is now enjoying corrupt political privilege: where's he going to hide when the welfare money and whatever jobs are left for "his race" in LA county runs out?

However, everyone needs to get over the idea that "white" is "American" and "Brown" is "Mexican", including Vdare with your reported article concerning "whites" in California. In spite of rhetoric from both sides, Gutierrez, Villaraigosa and their brown racist buddies are Americans subverting America from within. They have succeeded largely because they have often injected race where white racism wasn't a part of their mostly contrived issues, so why help them make their case with further racial polarization?

What most of the problem is, besides citizens not demanding accountability from their governments, is the overlapping effort on many levels (and to several different agendas) to deconstruct everything America was, including the American creed - superior in spite of national faults of not entirely adhering to the creed throughout its history - the creed which made America the greatest nation on earth. International corporateers (markets free of borders), business (cheap labor), Politicians (catering to future constituency or business interests) the far left (European style socialism), ethnic nationalists (Aztlan), and misguided youth in rebellion against the older generation (social movements and revolutions are usually kicked off by middle class college graduates and students - the educated and relatively priviliged, not the downtrodden masses they claim to represent - and sometimes invent - and with who those masses may not personally identify with and may vehemently disagree with what "social revolutionists" ultimately do in spite of all the promises).

The confusion engendered by illegal immigration of who is who or what is what is a highly visible part of the big picture, with those responsible for illegal immigration hiding in the background. Why do entities such the Ford foundation or others dominated by the likes George Soros as well as parts of American governments from local to federal give funding to race obsessed brown supremacist organizations? See the preceding paragraph.

[Greg in LA]

Ilbegone, I can tell you why organizations like the Ford foundation and the Federal Government give money to race obsessed brown organizations, so that they have influence or control over them.

I even read a recent article that the CIA was funding the Muslim Brotherhood in the Mid East. Our government is sending them money for the same reason tax money flows to La Raza. So we have influence and control over them.

I am sorry to say that White apathy and corruption opened the Southern gates and allowed the gates to stay open. White Americans could have stopped the inflow at any time, including now, but they don't. White Americans which are the historic majority demographic in America allowed the invasion, and have prevented our laws from being enforced. It seems obvious to me.

Take Ronald Reagan, Governor of California, surely he saw the invasion in the mid seventies under Carters administration. I'm sure he saw the problems. Yet in 1986 he signed Simpson Mazoly, granting amnesty to 3 million illegals. Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and all the governors in the South West all Whites, yet did nothing to stop it. The majority demographic of all the South Western states are White Americans, yet most didn't do much.
Was it apathy? on the part of White Americans?
Was it corruption? I don't know you tell me.

[ilbegone]

Greg,

I understand that Reagan looked back on the 1986 immigration/amnesty law as a mistake.

This is the bottom line as I see it:

The democrat party is building a constituency they can't achieve with mainstream America, and they buy votes with social programs (the money's about to run out, but they either don't get the fact or they are playing a cynical game to keep the scam going on as long as possible).

Over the last 50 years the republicans played a game for cheap labor (underbidding native labor), but they didn't figure on the 14th amendment - oddly they must have thought that foreigners wouldn't procreate on American soil. It bit them in the ass because the democrats are picking up the kids and now republicans are on a clumsy damage control mission.

Actually, I believe that a lot of the situation now is similar to when the Irish came in the 19th century, except the Irish spoke the same language, their origination was an ocean away, the nation was expanding (populating a continent) instead of being static (overpopulated continent), and they eventually quit coming in large numbers.

Neither party really wants an end to it (just control as to the desired outcome - democrats want them as voters, republicans would kick them to the curb when they're done using them), and that is reflected by the occasional thunderous speech but no action in congress combined with little to no enforcement on the executive side of government as well as the judicial branch giving away the store.

Third parties have no chance, and they're a bunch of lunatics in any case while the two parties offer us no candidate who is sincere about fixing the problem.

The nutshell answer to government and immigration.


I don't believe the bit about money flowing to brown race groups for control for one microsecond.

Since the attempts in the 60's to infiltrate and neutralize those groups outside control is just not going to happen - it's not like the feds cutting off freeway construction money to force a state to adopt a policy which is distasteful to the state's population. I believe that government and private donors either don't understand what is actually going on (useful idiots) or what is going on fits their various agendas - and I'm more inclined to believe the latter.

Let the race stuff go. Almost everyday I find someone new with origins in the barrio whose father or grandfather might have listened to Ranchera music with his drunk buddies on the porch, but played the Mills brothers or Mitch Miller in the house (not always the case, but frequent enough). Those people and their descendants aren't the same people who come here now, and while varying numbers might agree with you on certain things, they will bitterly oppose you and your stand because of your perceived racism.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

I don't believe the bit about money flowing to brown race groups for control for one microsecond..

I do. Our government and the various factions that seek to control it have been using our wallets to worm their way into various factions of other movements for decades. It doesn't always work, but they see no reason not to keep trying.

Let the race stuff go. Almost everyday I find someone new with origins in the barrio whose father or grandfather might have listened to Ranchera music with his drunk buddies on the porch, but played the Mills brothers or Mitch Miller in the house (not always the case, but frequent enough). Those people and their descendants aren't the same people who come here now, and while varying numbers might agree with you on certain things, they will bitterly oppose you and your stand because of your perceived racism

That's right. And you know what else? Racism doesn't work. It's a failed enterprise that people like Reagan and his predecessors were convinced to abandon. They may still have believed in it, but as politicians they embraced a new concept at the behest, encouragement, and possibly force, of some of those powers I mentioned earlier. You can't equate the color of a person's skin with their culture's failings, or even their educational level. There are various levels of intelligence within all races. Whites have the same potential to be seen as classless and ignorant as do aboriginal natives. The term "white trash" or "trailer trash" got started somehow, eh? As a 60 year old half-breed, I can tell you I've had my clock cleaned by quite a few people shades darker than myself. Likewise, I've met quite a few people with slanted eyes that have taught me a whole lot of things I never learned from any white school teachers. Truth is, that if you value advancement, you must take it whereever you find it, and don't close of any avenues. What's really important is that you sharpen your ability to discern the good people from the bad..or ignorant.. Choosing them by race is a sure way to fail in that endeavour

[Jeanfromfillmore]

While helping a friend with her garage sale about 18 years ago I was told that in the future it would be White males that would have a hard time and that there was an effort to take them out of power. This woman’s name was Roberta Orona Cordova and she now teaches Chicano Studies at Cal State Northridge. We were very close friends for years. While we were waiting for people to come by and buy something she also asked me if I’d heard of the movement to take back the western US and return it to Mexico. I don’t remember if she mentioned ATZLAN. I told her I didn’t agree with that concept at all and she responded that she did but her boyfriend, whose name is Vince and was teaching screen writing at CSUN at the time, didn’t agree with her. Roberta was teaching English at Santa Monica College and UC Santa Barbara back then, before she took the job at CSUN. She graduated from Berkeley with two masters (English and Screen Writing I think, but not sure about the second) due to affirmative action and she admits that if she had to try to get a degree today she wouldn’t be able to do it due to the changes in the system. She has since married Vince and I last spoke to her about 5 years ago. Roberta was born here in the US and her parents were also born here. She spent time in Mexico when she was in her 20’s to learn to speak Spanish. Today she indoctrinates her students with race based hate and we have affirmative action to thank for it. Look her up, she’s still teaching.

What bothers me greatly is that while we hear the democrats cry that there’s a “war on women” there isn’t a mention of the radical left’s war on White men. You hear it from their mouthpieces saying such things as “We’re getting rid of a bunch of old White men” or when referencing certain conservative politicians they will say “A bunch of old White men” but not one person attributes this to racism or a tactical effort to reduce White males to a lower status. As I said, this didn’t just happen, it is what the left has been working on for many years.

About 9 years ago I was talking to an illegal alien and his response to me when asked why he was here in the US was “We’re taking it back”.

These are just two examples of people I’ve come across in past years that admit to an agenda. One is in a position of influence; the other is the result of that influence.

Yes there is a war against White males, but since Whites haven’t acknowledged it, it just doesn’t exist.

AG, I disagree with your statement that “Choosing them by race is a sure way to fail in that endeavor” because it has sure been working for the far left.

[Greg in LA]

Whoa, wait a minute Ilbegone and Ayatollah. I'm not espousing some sort of race supremacy or race superiority. I'm just pointing out the facts that I see in regards to how White people through apathy and corruption, and naivety have allowed themselves to be taken advantage of. I think Whites in America pretty much treat all people as individuals and judge people as individuals. That is a great way to think, and I believe a very American attitude to view people. In a way though that's part of the problem, We treat others as individuals, but that doesn't mean other people from different ethnic groups treat and think of others the same way that Americans do, as individuals.

Most people around the world think along tribal and ethic lines. When viewing people They see tribe and ethnicity first and the individual second, maybe a distant second.

The melting pot is the prime example of this. Americans in general think you immigrate to America, you melt into the pot and mix. We all know from experience that this is not necessarily true. Why?
because other cultures and "tribes" see it different. In many instances their view point is, race and tribe trumps all.

When I was saying "The Mexicans in America aren't the problem, It's the Whites that are the problem", I was merely criticizing my own ethnic group because of their unwillingness to not take this into consideration , to only see things from one's own narrow point of view.