Chelene Nightingale's Nazism Surfaces On Facebook Page

[LAPhil]

This is all very perplexing to me. When I joined SOS back in 2005 it seemed as though we were all pretty much united within ourselves and our various "sister" organizations, and there was no infighting to speak of, at least not as far as I could tell. Now I see all these bitter feuds going on everywhere, and it seems a wonder we get anywhere at all in this movement. It's kind of like Pogo in the old comic strip who once said "We have met the enemy and they is us".

[The Waco Kid]

Phil I believe the first time I saw you was at a rally was on Dec 10 2005 and that was Nightinhell's first time with SOS. Very shortly thereafter things changed and the infighting really took off, I tried to stop some of the petty stuff on the board when I was a moderator but all that got me was grief and labeled as a trouble maker, or "old acid tongue" to use the term of one of the less enlightened souls on this board. There was one thing I never told anyone, Chelene had been involved with a very good friend of Joe's who was real cock hound, apparently they had been intimately involved at one time and that is why she was given the reins to SOS even though I had been there since the beginning supporting SOS financially and with my time. For the life of me I cannot remember this guys screen name, but I do know his real first name was Chris and he is a writer for which publication I do not know.

It is what it is, a mess. Something good that has taken several wrong turns due to poor management on the part of the founder Joseph Turner, who is a puzzle too, I don't for once second think he is a nut job like Nightinhell but I think he bores easily and wants to move on the next thing, that is how SOS ended up under the direction of a sociopath.

Sad but ya gotta move on. At least now SOS is in good hands but even so the damage has been done and the organization has been branded as an ineffective, infighting group full of nutjobs. It isn't anymore but it is difficult to overcome the past.

Thanks
Sandy

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by LAPhil

This is all very perplexing to me. When I joined SOS back in 2005 it seemed as though we were all pretty much united within ourselves and our various "sister" organizations, and there was no infighting to speak of, at least not as far as I could tell. Now I see all these bitter feuds going on everywhere, and it seems a wonder we get anywhere at all in this movement. It's kind of like Pogo in the old comic strip who once said "We have met the enemy and they is us".

No; There was fighting from the start. Joe started in with Andy Ramirez of Friends Of The Border Patrol. then came fights between the chase factions of border watch groups. SOS had infighting all along. It shouldn't be a big deal that people bicker and feud within the movement. If you see something you don't like, it's best to speak up. Certainly there will be someone that doesn't like others to speak up. When people are silenced, it gives rise to hitlerian attitudes.

[The Waco Kid]

Yeah I remember that too AG

[Eagle1]

I wonder why Jeff Schwilk jumps to Chelene's defense whenever she whispers in his ear?

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

I wonder why Jeff Schwilk jumps to Chelene's defense whenever she whispers in his ear?

Because they're two peas in a pod. They occupy very similar positions. Schwilk defending Nightingale, is a stone's throw away from defending himself. A lot of the criticisms that can be made about Chelene, could just as easily be laid at Schwilk's feet.

Think about what they have in common.

A. Both at mid-life without a great deal of opportunity to better themselves or their prospects in life.
B. Both have enjoyed a degree of success and recognition in the anti-illegal immigration movement.
C. Both largely unsuccessful in other endeavors prior to '05. Before age 40, Chelene accumulated a small string of acting and modeling credits to put on her resume. Jeff had an entirely unremarkable military career, and essentially retired just before age 40.
D. Both have limited prospects of receiving the notoriety/recognition/cred enjoyed by Jim Gilchrist.
E. Both are possessed of very average intelligence and not a great deal of formal education. Unless they select their surroundings/compatriots very carefully, both are rarely the smartest person in the room ... or even the second smartest (that's problematic when you have your heart set on being in charge).
F. Both committed major blunders while entrusted with leading organizations. Chelene disintegrated/alienated the bulk of Save Our State's membership, while Jeff turned himself into a search engine joke and racked up a string of lawsuit judgments.
G. Both know well the pressure of financial distress.
H. Both are big-time conspiracy theory devotees (not a little, a LOT).
I. Both have major personality/emotional failings/weaknesses. Schwilk has a smoking temper that gets him in trouble, and Chelene becomes very uncomfortable when she is receiving insufficient attention and praise.

It makes sense to me why he constantly has her back. Besides, he's tailor made for her. Chelene is a physically and, can be, personally attractive woman. She's quite capable of making men feel good about themselves in a very basic way. And her charm doesn't involve having to sleep around or even letting a guy lay a finger on her. She's practiced at being a desired female, and she can turn it on for the right audience. Guys will defend that. It's not an insignificant thing in life.

[PochoPatriot]

Sam has some good points here. I can pinpoint the exact time I became a threat to her. It was when MikeinLA and I organized the first American Apperal protest in Hollywood. We had a decent turnout without her as she has on a sabbatical to deal with family issues.
The second protest was also well attended, and Chelene was there. What she saw in me was that I was moving out of her sphere of influence and creating my own. Not that I had any intention of subverting SOS. To the contrary, my desire was to help grow the org and broaden our appeal. Sadly, she viewed me as a threat and I believe that she manipulated members and leaders in SOS to view me as such.
It all came to a head when she went whole hog in supporting Ron Paul. While I thought many of his ideas where important and worthy of discussion, I did not believe that he was the best candidate for the job. I was told on numerous occasions, publicly and privately to cease voicing my concerns. Eventually I was banned. Chelene even claimed she had evidence of a plot between myself and Sam to cause her harm. Needless to say that was not even remotely true. However Chelene is the paranoid type. So I simply ignored this baseless accusation and left the border security movement. My life has been a lot more peaceful since then.

[Rim05]

or "old acid tongue" to use the term of one of the less enlightened souls on this board

That is one of your unique traits. Your day is not complete unless you can jab at soneone, anyone. I think you have earned the title.
I would say, I am 'less enlightened', because I do not get involved in what I call gossip, now days called 'trash talk'.
Have a good day.

[The Waco Kid]

Originally Posted by Rim05

That is one of your unique traits. Your day is not complete unless you can jab at soneone, anyone. I think you have earned the title.
I would say, I am 'less enlightened', because I do not get involved in what I call gossip, now days called 'trash talk'.
Have a good day.

I do not know you Rim but apparently you've got your knickers in twist over something. I don't know why you are so upset but I suggest you call in to SOS radio this week and you can actually talk to me in person and perhaps become more enlightened. I have nothing against you and I like I said I don't even know who you are so lighten up, life is to short to sweat the petty stuff.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by The Waco Kid

I do not know you Rim but apparently you've got your knickers in twist over something. I don't know why you are so upset but I suggest you call in to SOS radio this week and you can actually talk to me in person and perhaps become more enlightened. I have nothing against you and I like I said I don't even know who you are so lighten up, life is to short to sweat the petty stuff.

Hey....Some of us enjoy sweating the petty stuff!