L.A.‘s Green Energy Push Costly

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

Opinion piece by Walter Moore:

This is exactly what I've been posting about. They are charging different rates and adding charges to others to cover the discounted rate 99% of the illegals are receiving. I know who and how they're doing it, and the California Public Utilities Commission is encouraging it and demanding it be done. The municipalities such as DWP are doing it at the bequest of the city politician.

It's time we expose these corrupt and unfair practices. The illegals are getting more than just welfare checks and foodstamps. And these programs don't require that you be a legal citizen to profit from them, and in reality they actually cater to the illegals and shun our citizens. I know that for a fact, I see it happen with my own eyes.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

This is exactly what I've been posting about. They are charging different rates and adding charges to others to cover the discounted rate 99% of the illegals are receiving. I know who and how they're doing it, and the California Public Utilities Commission is encouraging it and demanding it be done. The municipalities such as DWP are doing it at the bequest of the city politician.

It's time we expose these corrupt and unfair practices. The illegals are getting more than just welfare checks and foodstamps. And these programs don't require that you be a legal citizen to profit from them, and in reality they actually cater to the illegals and shun our citizens. I know that for a fact, I see it happen with my own eyes.

I have believed for a long time that illegals are being subsidized every which way to Sunday but what was missing was exactly "who".

Can all this be put together in a comprehensive "who did it" and "who directed what"?


As far as LA goes, the two above articles show what a cat fight all of this has turned into. All bets are off as to the outcome, which I don't believe is going to be pleasant.

I think there is going to be a real melt down.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

What LA is doing is doing is offing the discount in whole districts, neighborhoods and blocks. Where as the private utilities are doing it through the CARE, LIEE, LIEHP and other programs many of the nonprofits contract out. But the cost of these programs are charged on everyone's utility bills.

These Green Programs are basically a scam. They are a way of requiring everyone to swap out their old system with a new one. With the guise of being earth friendly, which in reality often isn't, the companies doing the manufacturing or delivering the service have a whole new market to sell to. Kind of like clothing designers change trendy styles to get more sales.

Los Angeles has welcomed all the poverty it now has, and squeezed the middle class to subsidize them. Now LA is at a turning point where it has so much poverty, and it's becoming very obvious that LA can not afford what that sanctuary city has become.

It's like the LA Raza leaders telling everyone to keep breeding and they will breed their way into prosperity without realizing someone has to support them.

When those paying those high utility bills start having to cut back on other needs, then you're going to see a spiraling down even quicker. People will cut back on eating out or what ever/where ever they can. Then those businesses will lay off, and so on.

[ilbegone]

These Green Programs are basically a scam. They are a way of requiring everyone to swap out their old system with a new one. With the guise of being earth friendly, which in reality often isn't, the companies doing the manufacturing or delivering the service have a whole new market to sell to. Kind of like clothing designers change trendy styles to get more sales.

I think I know what you're saying.

The Solar and Wind farms are out for DWP, as far as what I see.

There was the proposed Solar project in the Coachella Valley which was scratched due to "environmentalist activism" concerning related transmission line construction through Riverside and San Bernardino County Desert to the DWP substation north of Victorville.

The other part, which might work, has to do with Federal tax incentive solar panel construction on roof tops, which is payed for by the customer but are payed back over the years to the customer by tax breaks and utility buying excess generation into the grid.

However, the utility is not going to pay for any generation into the grid over the customer's zeroed out electrical usage.

The "green jobs" which are supposed to come out of rooftop solar in Los Angeles has to do with Local 18 inside wiremen largely sowing up the installation of such facilities. It's been some time and I might not remember exactly, but I believe there has been a law passed which states that only Licensed contractors can install the systems (which excludes qualified journeyman electrical workers or any one else doing so with a valid permit and inspection on their own residences) and which also favors exclusive employment of local 18 electricians by those contractors.

And remember, with the configuration set up required, if the utility servicing your house has a power outage of any kind, you are out of power as long as anyone else on your part of the utility circuit due to the legally required switching system at your house. No such thing as a "free" lunch.

I don't know what the scheme is now, but a utility in California was required to buy electricity from independently owned wind and solar farms at the highest determined avoided cost of building new utility owned generation facilities, which in the 80's might have have been determined to be be 13 cents a Kilowatt hour when the utility might have been able to either generate with existing facilities or purchase electricity at 4 cents or less a Kilowatt hour (My best recollection).

Those costs get passed on to the consumer.