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05-15-2011, 05:52 PM
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Ayatollahgondola, I think your respect for the Israelis is misplaced.
There are many reasons that I think your respect for the Israeli's is misplaced, but I guess my main reason is that the Jewish/Zionist battle with the Palestinian's is their battle and not ours. You need to realize the tribal nature of the world and how the USA has become divided by tribal alliances, especially through massive immigration. Most Jews in the United States have dual loyalties, one to the Jewish nation and Jewish diaspora and the other loyalty to the country that they live in. Much the same way as Mexicans in America have dual loyalties, One to their "race" and the other to the country that they live in. These loyalties can change emphasis from one country to another, but the dual nature doesn't change. The Jews have a long history of maintaining their religious and national identity wherever they live and all over the world. The Jews demonize the Arabs in the media in support of Israel, and the American tax payer picks up the tab. Our position in this world is that we (those reading this blog, and those fighting illegal immigration) have loyalty to only one country, The United States. The main reason for this is that we are fully assimilated Americans and have no connection or allegiances to any other country. Please take a critical look at the reason the United States backs Israel so heavily. The answear is the dual loyalty of the Jews in the USA. Please also look critically at who benefits from the heavy US support of Israel, the USA or Israel. I would suggest all the benefits go to Israel. As for myself I have learned important lessons from the Jews and the Mexicans. My loyalties lie squarely with Americans first and secondly with Christians. What I am saying is that I have chosen sides, American and Christian. You should also be aware of the persecution that the Christian Arabs have faced in Israel at the hands of the Zionist Jews. In the Zionist drive to create a Jewish state, The Christian Arabs were driven out (before the creation of Israel, Palestine was 30% Christian). I see no reason for America to be used by the Jews to fight their battles. Bottom line this is a Jewish/ Arab battle not an American battle. 
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05-15-2011, 06:07 PM
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05-15-2011, 08:35 PM
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The current disturbances we are seeing on the Lebanese border are because it is modern, Zionist Israel's 63rd birthday this week. The so-called Palestinian nationalists use this occasion as an opportunity to further evoke aggression against Israel accross its borders.
Since Israel fell the last time, over two thousand years ago, Jews have maintained their religious and cultural heritage by way of preserving their scriptures and family ties. In their Diaspora, they have never forgotten their original home and what it meant to them and their religious beliefs. Now many Jews have returned to Israel to join the Jews there that never left and have created a state. It is a source of hope to Jews all over the world who have suffered centuries of brutal and unjust persecution. It is a source of hope too, to the rest of us, who are sick of standing by while Jews are the victims of constant attacks based on the most odious and slanderous of lies and hysteria. Many Jews have come to Israel out of religious conviction, but many have come because they had no other choice. They were robbed, murdered and driven out of places they settled for no rational reason, for no other reason than the rantings of hysterical murdering mobs. We who care about our borders should care about Israel defending its border from those who do not even recognize Israel's right to exist. Those in our country who dismiss our concern over the integrity of our borders and our citizenship have a similar skepticism over our right to exist. The US has a right to exist and we have a right to defend our borders and we uphold the right of any country to preserve itself, its right to exist and the right to defend their borders, Israel included.
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05-17-2011, 08:24 AM
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The same people that undermine Israel's national security by imposing insecure borders on it undermine our national security by imposing insecure borders on us.
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The United States of America is for citizens only! Everyone else OUT.
Criminalize asking party affilation for voter registration! End the "two party system"!
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05-17-2011, 09:34 PM
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Hi Twoller,
I would like to address the information that made you write this statement, "The same people that undermine Israel's national security by imposing insecure borders on it undermine our national security by imposing insecure borders on us." Good question Twoller, who is imposing insecure borders on America? Here is a list of the Jews in the US Senate of the 111th congress: Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.),Benjamin Cardin (D-Md.),Russ Feingold (D-Wisc., Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Al Franken (D-Minn.),Herb Kohl (D-Wisc.) Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) ,Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.),Carl Levin (D-Mich.)Bernard Sanders (I-Vt.), Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) What do these Senators have in common besides being Jews? They are all terrible on border and immigration policies, such as securing the American border, opposing amnesty and reducing immigration. In fact Numbers USA gives 10 of our 13 Jewish Senators its lowest grade possible... an F to an F-. California Senators Boxer and Feinstein Get a D and Wyden also gets a D. Brother Twoller I am sure you know how bad Boxer and Feinstein is on Illegal immigration, just think what it takes to earn an F and an F-! Please also take a look at this list of the Jews in the 111 US HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES: Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.),John Adler (D-N.J.), Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.), Howard Berman (D-Calif.), Eric Cantor (R-Va.), Stephen Cohen (D-Tenn.), Susan Davis (D-Calif.), Ted Deutsch (D-Fla.), Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.), Bob Filner (D-Calif.), Barney Frank (D-Mass.), Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.), Alan Grayson (D-Fla.), Jane Harman (D-Calif.), Paul Hodes (D-N.H.), Steve Israel (D-N.Y.), Steve Kagen (D-Wisc.), Ron Klein (D-Fla.), Sander Levin (D-Mich.), Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.), Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.),Jared Polis (D-Colo.), Steve Rothman (D-N.J.), Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.), Allyson Schwartz (D-Pa.), Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), Brad Sherman (D-Calif.), Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-Fla.), Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) Anthony Weiner (D-N.Y.), John Yarmuth (D-Ky.) Of the 31 Jews in our 111th Congress, Numbers USA gives one congressmen Eric Cantor the highest grade of all Jewish Congress men a B+. there are two that get a C- 14 that get a D or D- 14 that get a F or F- on the issue of immigration and Amnesty for illegal aliens. One other thing I noticed is that of the 44 Jews in the US Senate and House of Representatives all of them are Liberal Democrates except for Congressmen Cantor who is the lone Jewish Republican. Brother Twoller the facts paint a very dark picture of the Jews in our Congress in regards to how they want to secure the American border, and protect American sovereignty. After gathering this information my only question is why are the Jews so unanimous in their efforts to undermine American sovereignty and our borders?
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05-17-2011, 09:42 PM
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I don't hold a bias towards or against Christians, but figured they were the next largest group to use as a measuring stick
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#7
05-17-2011, 11:08 PM
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Ayatollah,
Yes one could do a break down of how Senators and Congressmen vote on border and immigration issues based on their religion or race. I am definatly not saying that Christians are not also on the wrong side of the immigration issue, look at Bush, Clinton, Kennedy, McCain, Grahamnesty... My response was to Twoller who made the incorrect assertion that the enemies of Israeli sovereignty and a secure Israeli border are also enemies of American Sovereignty and our border. I just showed him that based on an unbiased tally of voting records, Jews in Congress are near unanamous in their efforts to weaken our border security, and our sovereignty through wreckless legal and illegal immigration. Over 90% of the Jews in congress get a Numbers USA failing Grade. The fact that Jews in congress are so glaringly on the wrong side of the immigration issue is obvious to me. One could say that the uniformity of the voting record of the Jews in congress is just a coincident and not connected, but I think that would be naive. People with dual loyalties usually don't see the need for strong American sovereignty. Mexican/ Hispanic Americans likewise are a reliable vote against strong border security and for amnesty. So are some other ethnic groups. I guess I am generally suspicious of all dual loyalties. One could also say that ethinc and tribal loyalties cloud everyones motives. That is why I make my loyalties clear and upfront... I have choosen my side and that is American and Christian.
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05-18-2011, 02:45 AM
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Here are the further questions: How typical or representative are these people of Jews in America who are non practicing in the faith, and how typical are they of those who are hard core Orthodox practitioners in America? Would they be ultra Orthodox on Friday night and Saturday - maybe even hiring a maid to flip light switches for them on Sabbath, then eat pulled pork sandwiches on Sunday? Or is their main connection with "Jewishness" a vague recollection of singing "Hava Nagila" in the sixth grade fifty years or more ago? Are they married to non Jews? What are their voting records concerning American aid of any and all kinds to Israel, and would they be accepted in Israel as "real" Jews? Or would their asses be kissed as long as the gifts are received, then rejected as American "Manischevitz Jews" and given the bum's rush as soon as the party is over? If they had nothing to give but a civilian, practicing American Orthodox presence and admiration for Israel, would that be enough to be accepted as worthy of recognition as a "real Jew" in Israel? What is the difference between "Orthodox" in America and "Orthodox" in Israel? Would there be a culture gap between American Jews and Israeli Jews? Are those Jewish legislators like self appointed "Latino" activists in office who presume to speak for a very broadly defined group of people, many of whom may not agree with them? Does any of them babble endlessly about Israel and Israelis like racist ethnic studies professors babble about "Latinos"? Or do they tend to be far left, indoctrinated in college wackos who just happen to have Jewish last names, not much different than any other group of out of touch, condescending,"educated" far left political morons?
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Last edited by ilbegone; 05-18-2011 at 03:03 AM.
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05-15-2011, 08:37 PM
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05-15-2011, 09:57 PM
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Twoller,
The only similarity between The USA and Israel is that in the 1920's and the 1930's there was a wave of European and American Jews immigrating to Palestine. The native population in Palestine tried to stop them, but the British that were controlling Palestine at the time wouldnt stop it. The Zionist Jews were coming to Palestine for a "better life" after all. Besides the land of Palestine once belonged to the Jews. The political leaders of the Jewish immigrants in Palestine had dreams of reconquest and creating a new land for the Jews based on racial homogeneity. In the United States we have waves of Mexicans comming to our country "for a better life", the native population here tried to stop it and secure the border, but the controlling governments wouldn't stop the Mexican immigrants from coming either. The immigrants from Mexico felt that they had the right to immigrate to America as the American South West once belonged to Mexico. The political leaders of the new Mexican immigrants in America also have dreams of reconquest maybe even to create a new land, (Azlan). At the very least they needed to politically organize the Mexican immigrants based on their racial homogeneity (La Raza). From the 1920-through 1940's there were probably about 300,000 Jews that immigrated to Palestine, and they took over. In America in the last 30 years we have had 30,000,000 Mexican and Central Americans immigrate here. Brother, I hope you see the connection. I just don't want us to become the Palestinians.
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