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Old 10-24-2010, 01:23 PM
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They are holding him on a million dollars bail? A million for allegations of making a threat? That seems quite execessive.

I'm drafting a letter to him, but who knows if he'll answer

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PO BOX 86164
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Los Angeles, CA 90086-0164
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Old 10-24-2010, 02:23 PM
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They are holding him on a million dollars bail? A million for allegations of making a threat? That seems quite execessive.

I'm drafting a letter to him, but who knows if he'll answer

Inmate Name, Booking Number
PO BOX 86164
Terminal Annex
Los Angeles, CA 90086-0164
He can't talk about the incident - they read his mail mail. Besides, it may not get to him, or they might not provide him with writing materials at the county level. County corrections officers are nearly all gaping assholes. I was contemplating sending him some paper and stamped envelopes, but meth has been smuggled into jail with stick on devices. His money on the books is probably what he had on his person at time of arrest.

Same thing happened to me concerning bail. A false police report concerning myself (terrorist threats) eventually found itself in front of the city council where I was living at the time. The cop who arrested me (and searched my house without a warrant) said that except for the pressure placed through the political structure they wouldn't have bothered with me.

In my case my bail was $250,000. I asked the judge at my arraignment for release on my own recognizance - he looked straight through me and icely said "I don't think so". After about 20 days they provided me with a public defender who expressed puzzlement as to why I was being held, they didn't have anything on me. However, he also explained that if I didn't take the plea bargain, I would stay in jail to await trial.

I took the plea bargain for a minor misdemeanor conviction, sentenced to time served, and tossed out of the facility in the middle of the night.

I have asked several police officers and one prosecutor of various jurisdictions over the years about how I was set up and they all said that the scumbag who did it to me knew what he was doing.


I don't know Mr. Snell, and I might not like him if I did, but this smells like a railroading to me. Regardless of what a pain in the ass the man might be, the legal system should never be misused in such a manner.
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Old 10-24-2010, 03:25 PM
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If he's being railroaded, he will want people on the outside to know what they are accusing him of. He doesn't have to mention his side of the story, but just relay what they are accusing him of threatening him with.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:19 PM
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If he's being railroaded, he will want people on the outside to know what they are accusing him of. He doesn't have to mention his side of the story, but just relay what they are accusing him of threatening him with.
It's not that easy.

He will be given a sheet of paper which states a penal code violation. It's not anything more than may have been been provided to the press, just a Penal Code number and a bail amount. No further details. And he himself cannot discuss it further without jeopardizing his case. One should never say anything which may incriminate oneself including that which includes a blow by blow account by which one may be compromised - regardless of how innocent one is of the charges filed.

You have no idea what may have went on without having been a witness yourself or hearing honest testimony. And I will tell you that the one jury I served on maybe twenty years ago saw everyone who testified on either the prosecution or defense side without exception lied their asses off, it was evident in their body language and the way they talked.

It's a crooked racket.
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:37 PM
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California Criminal Threats Law

California Penal Code 422

Section 422 of the California Penal Code makes it illegal to make criminal threats (formerly called " terrorist threats"). A criminal threat under California law is a threat of immediate harm made to another person when the defendant intends to, and does, cause fear in the person threatened.

The punishment or penalty for criminal threats in California is up to three years state prison. Criminal threats is also now considered a strike under California's three strikes law.


The Elements of the Crime of Criminal Threats

1. The defendant willfully threatened to unlawfully kill or unlawfully inflict great bodily injury on another person;

2. The defendant made the threat orally or in writing or by electronic communication device;

3. The defendant intended that the statement be understood as a threat and intended that it be received by the other person;

4. The threat was so clear, immediate, unconditional, and specific that it communicated to the other person a serious intention and the immediate prospect that the threat would be carried out;

5. The threat actually caused the other person to be in sustained fear for her or his own safety or for the safety of her or his immediate family;

AND

6. The other person's fear was reasonable under the circumstances.

o Someone commits an act willfully when he or she does it willingly or on purpose.

o In deciding whether a threat was sufficiently clear, immediate, unconditional, and specific, consider the words themselves, as well as the surrounding circumstances.

o Someone who intends that a statement be understood as a threat does not have to actually intend to carry out the threatened act (or intend to have someone else do so).

o Great bodily injury means significant or substantial physical injury. It is an injury that is greater than minor or moderate harm.

o Sustained fear means fear for a period of time that is more than momentary, fleeting, or transitory.

o If a threat is intended to and does induce a sustained fear, the person making the threat need not know whether the threat was actually received.

http://www.shouselaw.com/criminal_threats.html
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Old 10-24-2010, 07:57 PM
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This shows the crap they have going on.

Bail schedule in Sacramento county for PC 422 Criminal threats is only $25,000 - not one million dollars. http://www.saccourt.ca.gov/criminal/...l-schedule.pdf

In LA county it's $50,000 bail for PC 422 criminal threats - not one million dollars. http://www.lasuperiorcourt.org/bail/pdf/felony.pdf

There is more here than mere criminal threats as per the law, the politics in the man's arrest are evident.
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:14 PM
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Threatening Life of or Serious
Bodily Harm to Public Official,
Staff, or Member of Immediate
Family
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