Latino Communities Angered Obama Hasn't Stopped Deportations

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Latino Communities Angered Obama Hasn't Stopped Deportations
Hispanic families and immigrant advocates criticized President Barack Obama Thursday for failing to keep campaign promises to change the U.S. immigration system.
The critics questioned Obama's recent comment that he could not use his executive order powers to suspend deportations because doing so "would not conform with my appropriate role as president." Obama made the comment at a town hall organized by Univision TV network.
The statement has received a lot of attention in immigrant and some Latino communities. Hispanics voted heavily for Obama in 2008 and some have felt he has let Latino supporters down by failing to move an immigration bill providing legal status to some illegal immigrants, while deporting record numbers of immigrants, many of them Hispanics.
Eva Millona, executive director of Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Coalition, cited Obama's campaign promise made on July 13, 2008 at a National Council of La Raza conference.
"When communities are terrorized by ICE immigration raids, when nursing mothers are torn from their babies, when children come home from school to find their parents missing, when people are detained without access to legal counsel, when all that is happening, the system just isn't working and we need to change it," Obama said in the speech at the 2008 NCLR conference which is captured in video on the YouTube page of his campaign arm, Organizing for America.
The administration argues that it has focused on arresting, detaining and deporting immigrants who are serious criminal and can't ignore people who are in the country illegally when Immigration and Customs Enforcement encounters them.
Cecilia Munoz, a White House deputy assistant to the president, said in a conference call with reporters that the White House does not believe the broken immigration system allows the president to choose not to enforce certain laws. There are always going to be unfortunate examples of families being separated and painful events in immigrant communities, but administrative solutions are not feasible or do-able on a large scale, she said.
"At end of day we feel the answer to this problem is a legislative answer and we are working every day to reach the day when the president can sign an immigration reform that can fix this problem," Munoz said.
On that call, Labor Secretary Hilda Solis announced her agency and the Homeland Security Department have signed an agreement that essentially says Immigration and Customs Enforcement will refrain from conducting raids or doing other immigration enforcement activities at most work places if there is an ongoing Labor Department investigation at the business.
The issue of children who are U.S. citizens being separated from parents has come into sharper focus in recent weeks after a young New York girl was forced to leave the country with her grandfather. They had been in Guatemala and were returning when the grandfather was detained at an airport and denied entry to the U.S. because of a decades-old violation on his record. Her parents were waiting for the 4-year-old in New York but she was made to leave rather than be united with her parents. She was recently reunited with her parents.
In a separate incident, Maria Bolanos said at the news conference she called Prince George's County, Md., law officers after a fight with her husband, hoping for help. Instead they turned her over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement and now she is fighting a deportation order.
"I don't want to be separated from my daughter," said Bolanos, who is from El Salvador.
Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., said the president "is only looking at one aspect of the law" by choosing not to suspend deportations by directing his administration to find ways to postpone them.
"We are asking for balance and for consideration of immigrants with deep, long-term equities in this country and for temporary relief until we are able to get legislation passed and implemented," Gutierrez said.

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[Rim05]

Who gives a damn about what the Latino community wants? We already know what they want. They want to Invade our Country and then have us treat them as Legal Citizens with all the rights and benefits that Legal Citizens have.
My answer to them is, "Get Lost".

[ilbegone]

One has to ask just exactly what the "Latino Community" really is and just who's ass the media is kissing.

There are a lot of different people out there who have much less in common than assumed, the media stereotypes and fictionalizes from the one direction just as much as anyone else ever could from the other.

As a matter of fact, the two extreme false assumptions actually meet in the middle.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Obama's campaign pledge. "I will stop the raids" has proven false in the eyes of the illegal alien support cabal. He's doing his best to combat it with semantics, however the affected class and their supporters have not traditionally subscribed to such differences. Illegal is illegal to them too, where it concerns the whole enchilada, and they don't think their criminals should be deported either, even those who murder, rape, rob, etc.
They don't want a border, and thus any deportation is seen as a bad thing.

[ilbegone]

I have to go back to what exactly is the "Latino community" and the race obsessionists who presume to speak for it.

Flip it over.

What is the "white community" in America? You have people of all personality ranges and temperaments. There are various regional differences with respect to customs, traditions, social expectations and what is considered to be polite to get along - and what really constitutes hypocrisy. A Cajun, Californian, and someone from New Jersey might find it uncomfortable to be in one anothers company until they get past their preconceptions and local expectations and get to know one another.

Within all that are honest, upright people and dishonest hacks; hard working people, lazy slackers; generous saints, shameless opportunists;various degrees of religious belief, or not; political belief from anarchism to all forms of totalitarianism; eco-terrorists to gross polluters; and more.

Then there are immigrants and visitors, who may or may not be legal, from Europe who's second language is English and all they bring within themselves; and all the English speakers from the UK, South Africa, New Zealand, and Australia.

At times, we can have trouble understanding the other's dialect of "English" around the English speaking world.

Then imagine a loose group of white American supremacist racists who appoint themselves to speak for the whole above group while inserting themselves into education, government, and social services to promote their racial agenda, and the media kisses their asses while carrying their water.




Flip it back over with two languages and fours types of communication: English only, bilingual with English as the first language (High school Castilian Spanish is not by any means Mexican Spanish), bilingual with Spanish as the first language and Spanish only.

Add to that the various dialects - even within just one country - derived in different degrees from 15th and 16th century Castilian and Andalusian dialects mixed with widely different Indian words and different non Hispanic European words from other migrations and the occasional pretension - to the point of mutual uninteligibility; differing local customs within the umbrella culture; and old national wounds, suspicions, and dislikes.

And all the different foods, from Northern Mexico to Southern Mexico to Central America to Venezuela to Colombia to Equador to Peru to Bolivia to Chile and Argentina.

Consider that Bolivia is to Argentina what Mexico is to the United States as Guatemala is to Mexico as well.

Then there are the "Latinos" who's families have been in the US for generations, whether or not there is a vestige of Latin America remaining, and those who are derived from two cultures and belong to neither one. As well, for various reasons, there is often friction between Mexican nationals and Americans with Mexican ancestors - they aren't the same people.

Then a loose group of brown American supremacist racists who appoint themselves to speak for the whole above group while inserting themselves into education, government, and social services to promote their racial agenda, and the media kisses their asses while carrying their water.

Palm trees to Cactus, Cubans aren't Mexicans and Bolivians aren't Argentinians, "Mexican - Americans" aren't Mexican - and not one foreign national from any country in Latin America is "Latino" or "Hispanic" until that person is in the United States and classified by others as such - They will identify by nationality. As well a "Latino" can be of any race or mixture, any culture, or speak any language, have any political belief, believe in any religion, be American born and still be a "Latino".

"Latino" and "Hispanic" is an American fiction, born of lazy convenience and identity politics.

Think about it.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

I have to go back to what exactly is the "Latino community" and the race obsessionists who presume to speak for it.

Flip it over.

What is the "white community" in America? You have people of all personality ranges and temperaments. There are various regional differences with respect to customs, traditions, social expectations and what is considered to be polite to get along - and what really constitutes hypocrisy. A Cajun, Californian, and someone from New Jersey might find it uncomfortable to be in one anothers company until they get past their preconceptions and local expectations and get to know one another.

Within all that are honest, upright people and dishonest hacks; hard working people, lazy slackers; generous saints, shameless opportunists;various degrees of religious belief, or not; political belief from anarchism to all forms of totalitarianism; eco-terrorists to gross polluters; and more.

Then there are immigrants and visitors, who may or may not be legal, from Europe who's second language is English and all they bring within themselves; and all the English speakers from the UK, South Africa, New Zealand, and Australia.

At times, we can have trouble understanding the other's dialect of "English" around the English speaking world.

Then imagine a loose group of white American supremacist racists who appoint themselves to speak for the whole above group while inserting themselves into education, government, and social services to promote their racial agenda, and the media kisses their asses while carrying their water.




Flip it back over with two languages and fours types of communication: English only, bilingual with English as the first language (High school Castilian Spanish is not by any means Mexican Spanish), bilingual with Spanish as the first language and Spanish only.

Add to that the various dialects - even within just one country - derived in different degrees from 15th and 16th century Castilian and Andalusian dialects mixed with widely different Indian words and different non Hispanic European words from other migrations and the occasional pretension - to the point of mutual uninteligibility; differing local customs within the umbrella culture; and old national wounds, suspicions, and dislikes.

And all the different foods, from Northern Mexico to Southern Mexico to Central America to Venezuela to Colombia to Equador to Peru to Bolivia to Chile and Argentina.

Consider that Bolivia is to Argentina what Mexico is to the United States as Guatemala is to Mexico as well.

Then there are the "Latinos" who's families have been in the US for generations, whether or not there is a vestige of Latin America remaining, and those who are derived from two cultures and belong to neither one. As well, for various reasons, there is often friction between Mexican nationals and Americans with Mexican ancestors - they aren't the same people.

Then a loose group of brown American supremacist racists who appoint themselves to speak for the whole above group while inserting themselves into education, government, and social services to promote their racial agenda, and the media kisses their asses while carrying their water.

Palm trees to Cactus, Cubans aren't Mexicans and Bolivians aren't Argentinians, "Mexican - Americans" aren't Mexican - and not one foreign national from any country in Latin America is "Latino" or "Hispanic" until that person is in the United States and classified by others as such - They will identify by nationality. As well a "Latino" can be of any race or mixture, any culture, or speak any language, have any political belief, believe in any religion, be American born and still be a "Latino".

"Latino" and "Hispanic" is an American fiction, born of lazy convenience and identity politics.

Think about it.

Very well stated!!!