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McKeon: Kellar should offer an apology
Republican congressman says councilman should clarify ‘unfortunate statement,’ move on
By Brandon Lowrey
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Posted: Feb. 2, 2010 9:36 p.m.
POSTED Feb. 3, 2010 4:55 a.m.
http://www.the-signal.com/news/article/24129/

Congressman Howard “Buck” McKeon has joined a chorus of critics calling on City Councilman Bob Kellar to apologize for his inflammatory remarks at a recent Valencia rally against amnesty for illegal immigrants.

“It was an unfortunate statement,” McKeon, R-Santa Clarita, said in a written statement. “I’d encourage it be clarified, cleared up, apologized for and moved on from.”

Meanwhile, a separate group has said it may battle Santa Clarita in court over alleged violations of its ethics code.

McKeon, the ranking Republican on the House Committee on Armed Services, was Santa Clarita’s first mayor and one of the city’s founders. The congressman opposes amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Kellar could not be reached for comment late Tuesday.

Last month, the longtime city councilman spoke at a rally held by several groups, including the Santa Clarita Valley Independent Minutemen.

He said the United States should have one flag and one language, and if people thought he was a racist for believing in America, then “I’m a proud racist. You’re darn right, I am.”

The statement, which Kellar has said was unplanned, has drawn national attention and prompted both support and fire from those on either side of the immigration debate.

The Full Rights for Immigrants Coalition brought its concerns over Kellar’s remarks to the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors meeting Tuesday.

The group said Kellar’s remarks were full of factual falsehoods and violated Santa Clarita’s code of ethics for city officials.

“We are definitely pursuing legal action, because we don’t feel the City Council did anything (to reprimand Kellar),” said Robert Gittelson, a spokesman for the coalition. “They didn’t even give him a slap on the wrist.”

City Attorney Carl Newton reviewed a video of the rally and said he saw no ethical violations in Kellar’s statements. His comments are protected under the First Amendment right to free speech, Newton said.

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really:
February 03, 2010 - 09:46 AM
Mr. Kellar should not be told to offer an apology by Buck Mc Keon or anyone else for that matter.
If Mr.Mc Keon and the rest of the elected officals would do their jobs and enforce laws we would not be in this situation.
YOU GO KELLAR!!
TaylorConsulting:
February 03, 2010 - 12:32 PM
OMG people! Get a grip!
What Mr. Kellar said would be analogous to me saying "If loving my wife makes me purple, then I'm purple.". Does that mean I'm saying that I'm purple? Should I apologize because I'm NOT purple? NO NO NO NO NO!!! It means I love my wife.
In no way, shape or form do I believe that I have ever seen any evidence pointing to Mr. Kellar being a racist.
truthseeker:
February 03, 2010 - 01:33 PM
Kellar should be MAYOR!!!
politicsazusual:
February 03, 2010 - 02:41 PM
This is just part of a global intelligence forecast for the next decade that is interesting reading:
The greatest international issue for the United States will no longer be the Islamic world or even Russia, although both will have to be dealt with. The issue will be Mexico, and it is an issue with several parts. First, Mexico is a rapidly growing but unstable power on the U.S. border.
Second, Mexico’s cartels are gaining power and influence in the United States.
Third, the United States will be trapped by a culture that is uneasy with a massive Mexican immigrant population and an economy that cannot manage without it.
ChrisBall:
February 03, 2010 - 06:39 PM
I have nothing intelligent to add to this dialog.
old49er:
February 04, 2010 - 06:51 AM
Maybe Buck should apologize, resign, and then Kellar could run for Congress!
ryantheray:
February 06, 2010 - 07:05 PM
In 2007 I took a trip to Wash.DC and I spent an hour in Congressman McKeon's office discussing the amnesty that was being proposed at that time. What I received is what you would call lip service. He said he would vote against it, but beyond that he would do nothing. This was directly from his mouth. I left his office feeling he had let the citizens of this country down. McKeon will pander to whomever he thinks will keep him in office. Upon getting back to California I realized he wasn't even worth the trip to DC. and he's not worth keeping that congressional seat. Time to put Kellar there.
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Kellar will not offer apology
City Councilman stands firm despite Congressman Howard “Buck” McKeon’s call for apology
By Brandon Lowrey
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Posted: Feb. 4, 2010 10:26 p.m.
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At least two prominent Republicans have distanced themselves from Santa Clarita City Councilman Bob Kellar since he used fiery rhetoric to decry amnesty for illegal immigrants at a rally last month, with one even calling on him for an apology.

But Kellar said this week that's out of the question.

"I am going to continue to be very clear: There will be no apologies coming from Bob Kellar," Kellar said. "As my parents taught me, you don't apologize unless you've done something wrong."

Whether Kellar had done anything wrong has been up for debate.

Kellar's speech at the rally included the fateful line: "If that's what you think I am because I happen to believe in America, I'm a proud racist. You're darn right, I am."

Some say he violated the city's ethics code and disgraced the city, while others have called him a hero for voicing his frustration over a broken system.

The debate has thrust the longtime councilman into the national spotlight.

On Tuesday, Congressman Howard "Buck" McKeon - who, technically, agrees with Kellar that the government should secure the border and not offer amnesty - said Kellar should say he's sorry and move on. McKeon was the founding mayor of Santa Clarita and is now the ranking Republican on the House Committee on Armed Services.

The congressman's statement came days after Republican gubernatorial candidate and former eBay CEO Meg Whitman rejected Kellar's endorsement and severed ties with him.

While Kellar has not faced punishment from the City Council, his speech at the rally on the corner of Valencia Boulevard and Magic Mountain Parkway appeared to have violated the city's code of ethics.

His fellow council members and the city attorney have said he did not violate the code, though several groups and some City Council candidates argue he has.

One of those groups threatened legal action this week.

Kellar said he does not regret his choice of words and offered a retort to McKeon.

"I am shocked to find elected representatives at every level of government failing to address this issue. It's unconscionable," he said.

"Therefore, I say, that perhaps my words have caused attention to this matter that is decades overdue."
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logelly:
February 05, 2010 - 10:01 AM
People need to shut their mouths before they talk. first off grab a dictionary and look up the term racist. secondly I believe strongly with Mr. Bob Kellar and have felt strongly about illegal immigration for years. the USA pays a ton a money to each year to help Illegals and we can not afford to anymore. they get everything for free while the people who pay taxes have nothing to show for it. Our Great Country needs to put our foot down and do something before there is nothing left. God Bless the USA.
Brian_Baker:
February 05, 2010 - 10:26 AM
Good for Kellar! He should stick to his guns!
Whitman and McKeon mouth the usual weinie response to liberal demagoguery.
Kellar's absolutely correct. Every time someone speaks out against amnesty, the usual suspects come crawling out of the woodwork trying to divert and obfuscate the issue with that old canard: the race card.
Kellar simply called them on their nonsense.
Kudos to Kellar.
happymominscv:
February 05, 2010 - 10:41 AM
I agree with the above comments. Why should he apoligize? More of us need to speak out agaist the invasion! It's about time someone said something! I applaud Mr. Kellar!!!
befree:
February 05, 2010 - 10:49 AM
. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl..com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fisc...

3. $2..5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fisc...

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent
on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANSCR...

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPT...

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/061...

9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSC%20R...

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US .
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPT...

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries.. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the US from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report:
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12. The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute..o...

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14.. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'
Verify at:
http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml http://ww/%20w.drdsk.com/articleshtml
braddon:
February 05, 2010 - 11:40 AM
If a man announces to the world that he's a racist, we should take him at his word. If he's not a racist and just used the term to make some twisted point, then he's an idiot. Either way, I would rather have illegal immigrants living next door to me than Councilman Kellar.
meerob:
February 05, 2010 - 12:17 PM
While I understand Bob Keller's frustration, I also believe that individuals in positions like his need to know that words are powerful and throwing out the "racist" term moves his speech in to a whole other category, the category of hate. Additionally, when speaking to crowds like this (that are frustrated and upset); you have to be careful, as it can be perceived that being a racist is okay...as long as it's for America. And we all know that back in the day many white Americans felt that owning slaves and treating blacks a 3/5th’s a white person was okay, because it helped America. After all the slaves picked cotton, raised their children, etc. It helped the growing economy of early America…according to many white Americans back then. We all know that they were wrong. Hate and Racism should never be tolerated. Let's all understand that words are powerful and every person that holds office should know that. I do think Bob Keller needs to apologize, not for his beliefs but for his poor choice of words.
blazingmonk:
February 05, 2010 - 12:26 PM
befree - Your numbers are grossly exaggerated. I will agree there is a huge problem and the numbers are large but when you throw out incorrect numbers the focus then turns on why you are giving wrong information instead of the real debate about illegal immigration. Please be care and more accurate with the information you throw out.
really:
February 05, 2010 - 12:28 PM
Kellar has a brass set and tells it the way it is. All these politicans are afraid of the truth.
If all our elected officials did their jobs we would not be in this situation.
You GO Bob, you are NOT a racist your just telling it like it is.
If Mr. Mc Keon and the rest of them did their jobs we would not be in the financial state we are in now!
I say Bob you need to run for Mc Keon's seat or the Governors office!!
Manq:
February 05, 2010 - 12:40 PM
That is just exactly what I have come to expect from Mr. McKeon. It is more important to him to posture himself for re-election than to serve his constituents or enforce our existing laws.
What the heck has McKeon done on illegal immigration lately anyway?
Minerva:
February 05, 2010 - 12:56 PM
Thank you for providing your links of proof on the immigrant and undocumented worker problem. I believe these figures are what the debate should be about.
What affect does the broken immigration system have on our economy?
Where do these funds come from?
Who is encouraging such funding and policies to exist?
Who benefits and if we are a law abiding nation why are such funds being allocated?
Are undocumented workers being used in nefarious ways that the American citizens don't know about or would be astounded to know?
Who is up for that conversation?
Livelovelaugh:
February 05, 2010 - 01:46 PM
Your parents taught you right!
lls_in_scv:
February 05, 2010 - 01:48 PM
Thank you Bob Kellar for not waivering.
To Minerva, I'm including a link to our LA Cty Supervisor, Michael D. Antonovich website, regarding the some of the expenditures the CTY of LA made in 2009 for the children of illegal immigrants.
excerpt:
"August 11, 2009—Figures from the Department of Public Social Services show that children of illegal aliens in Los Angeles County collected nearly $22 million in welfare and over $26 million in food stamps in June, announced Los Angeles County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich. Projected over a 12 month period – this would exceed $575 million dollars."
http://antonovich.co.la.ca.us/Pages/P...
http://antonovich.lacounty.gov/Pages/...
http://antonovich.lacounty.gov/Pages/...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9jt8T...
JimmyStewart:
February 05, 2010 - 01:51 PM
I agree with Bob Kellar! It is time for honesty about this issue. Bob is no racist but that's how the opposition wants to "profile" him! Who are the ones who really profile people?? With no evidence of racism, just that they disagree they flippantly throw out the racist title. What's a man to do when they won't listen to the meaning of your words??? This is the real crime.
lls_in_scv:
February 05, 2010 - 02:21 PM
Don't know what happened to the links that I copy/pasted in to my earlier comment. Here are some better links to check:
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/fil...
http://antonovich.co.la.ca.us/Pages/P...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9jt8T...
http://antonovich.lacounty.gov/Pages/...
http://www.the-signal.com/news/archiv...
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ItzRandy:
February 05, 2010 - 05:52 PM
I'm sorry ..... and we need McKeon's input on this matter, why? Maybe it's time for some of our spineless politicians to apologize and resign for not doing their job!
Kellar is correct whether you agree with his verbiage or not. I too, applaud Kellar for finally being one to stand up and speak the truth. This policy of selectively enforcing our immigration laws has led to a complete breakdown in control of our borders and has fostered this perceived need to be politically correct when dealing with any issue relating to ILLEGAL immigrants.
The word ILLEGAL should say it all.
Brian:
February 05, 2010 - 07:36 PM
As a mayor and councilman, what has Kellar done to address this problem locally?
Anybody know?
logelly:
February 05, 2010 - 08:55 PM
to meerob get your facts straight first. the media/public called him a racist not him-self. he is simple stating that what ever you call him he still stands for what he believes. has to brian it has to start somewhere and this is his start. I believe this will be the first step he is trying to help with this issue and nobody will help him, guess what ill help as well as alot of other people out there. we need to take back whats is ours and what we the tax payers and LEGAL CITIZENS paid into. I need money for my kids health care and cant get it because it all goes to ILLEGAL CITIZENS.
CoastalSage:
February 05, 2010 - 09:45 PM
Just my opinion: There are two Republican camps on the illegal immigration issue:
(1) the pro-big-business Republicans who support companies which employ large numbers of illegal aliens, in large part by ignoring the issue of counterfeit I.D. documents presented by their employees, and
(2) The Republicans who support the conservative working person, including those who have lost their jobs to illegal aliens, and who support taxpayers outraged by the costs of illegal aliens and outraged that the pro-big business Republicans won't try to do anything about enforcing Federal laws against employers of illegals.
Bob Kellar obviously falls into that second category.
Obviously due to his long service in Washington, Buck McKeon has fallen into the first category, Pro-Big Business Republican category. Perhaps he is afraid to alienate his corporate contributors by saying anything kind about Bob Kellar.
I, for one, think Bob Kellar doesn't need Buck McKeon. In fact, I'd rather see Bob Kellar in the Santa Clarita congressional seat than Buck McKeon.
miranda:
February 05, 2010 - 10:47 PM
braddon:
February 05, 2010 - 11:40 AM
If a man announces to the world that he's a racist, we should take him at his word. If he's not a racist and just used the term to make some twisted point, then he's an idiot. Either way, I would rather have illegal immigrants living next door to me than Councilman Kellar.
Hey Braddon,
Please post your address so we can relocate some illegals next door to you. Sleep tight!
LLSinSCV:
February 06, 2010 - 03:15 AM
Bob Kellar - Santa Clarita councilman (former mayor, retired LAPD supervisor, and US military veteran) made some comments at an anti-illegal immigration rally in Jan 2010 which has become a HOT HOT HOT issue in CA and around the country! Though I personally was not at the Santa Clarita anti-immigration rally, I have several friends who were.
What happened? Well excerpts, taken out of context of his comments as a private citizen (not as a City Councilman). Paraphrased summary: he recounted a story about about Pres Teddy Roosevelt's POV of America and it's immigrants. Evidently Bob K agreed with Pres Roosevelt and "1 flag, 1 language." At that point someone at the other event said to Bob K, "that makes you sound like a racist Bob" and he replied, "if that (1 flag, 1 language) makes you think I'm a racist, then I'm a proud racist."
Personally, as the US born child of LEGAL immigrants to the US who waited several yrs and came to this great county via the quota system, I know that immigration is what our country is built upon. My parents chose to come to a new homeland, they assimilated and raised us a AMERICANS of Armenian heritage. We flew only 1 flag and allegiance to 1 flag... the US flag.
What seems to be ignored here in this entire debate is the 1st word in the label on these particular immigrants: ILLEGAL immigrants (pc world called them "undocumented workers"... like as if they forgot their legitimate ID card at home and at the moment are without documents). ILLEGAL immigrants broke the law, our sovereign country's laws.
JimmyStewart:
February 06, 2010 - 12:21 PM
Brian,
What would Kellar be allowed to do about this issue? Are you kidding? Why don't you tell us what he should of done? You try to even talk about this issue and look what happens to you.
Brian:
February 06, 2010 - 01:06 PM
Well Jimmy, I don't see anyone defending illegal immigration. The laws are in place to take police action in many ways including zoning and loitering. Petty perhaps but still legal.
What should Bob do as a city official? Isn't that best asked of Bob. That is why he is elected, isn't it? To solve Santa Clarita's problems.
Or am I wrong?
ryantheray:
February 06, 2010 - 06:41 PM
Keller is spot on. He does not have to apologize to anyone. But I would say that Mr Lowery owes Bob Kellar an apology. Lowery you are about as wrong on this issue as anyone who's in bed with the open borders loons can get. Bob Kellar should run for Gov. of this state. But for sure he'd do a better job then those who are 'distancing' themselves from him, running with their tail between their legs trying to appease anyone and every special interest for votes. We have one man with the backbone to say the truth and what's good for our citizens, and a bunch of cowards trying to pander for votes running scared. I'll take the man with the backbone anyday.
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BY Mario Galvez
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Posted: Feb. 5, 2010 10:28 p.m.
POSTED Feb. 6, 2010 4:30 a.m.
http://www.the-signal.com/news/article/24255/

In his own words, Bob Kellar expressed a personal belief that he is a proud racist.

We are all entitled to say stupid things now and then, but his refusal to apologize and his determination to stand by his statement makes it obvious that this man can no longer be considered a credible public representative of all of Santa Clarita.

He is truly out of step with modern America and has given this beautiful city a black eye.

Illegal immigration is a problem that will never be solved as long as we continue to offer illegal immigrants work.

Kellar, we are part of the problem, because we like to hire cheap labor such as gardeners, nannies to look after our children, cooks, house-cleaning ladies and low-skilled factory jobs.

I am a proud American citizen, and I can tell you for a fact it has nothing to do with being a proud racist. You and your supporters belong to an era long gone.

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BBennetts:
February 06, 2010 - 11:27 AM
You could not be more wrong. Kellar did not say he was a "racist" or a "proud racist." He said "The only thing I heard back from a couple of people was `Bob, you sound like a racist.' "I said, `That's good. If that's what you think I am because I happen to believe in America, then I'm a proud racist. You're darn right I am."'
Might I suggest you take a critical thinking or English class at our local college so you can understand why he was not calling himself a racist? It is a shame you cannot grasp this concept.
Brad:
February 06, 2010 - 11:46 AM
Mr Galvez,
You wrote:
"In his own words, Bob Kellar expressed a personal belief that he is a proud racist. "
Although this is a 'Letter to the editor', your first sentence (intentionally or unintenionally) appears to be your presentation of a FACT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE_KDp...
youtube.com/watch?v=qE_KDpz2M30
Please watch this youtube video containing Mr Kellar's presentation and listen very carefully to his words.
You are entitled to your OPINION, of course.
Just be aware so that you do not (unintentionally) pass off your OPINIONS (or anyone else's) as FACTS.
I agree with the following that you wrote-
Illegal immigration is a problem that will never be solved as long as we continue to offer illegal immigrants work.
"Kellar, we are part of the problem, because we like to hire cheap labor such as gardeners, nannies to look after our children, cooks, house-cleaning ladies and low-skilled factory jobs."
IMO, you raise a good point.
Hiring illegal immigrants costs less and as long as there is a profit incentive at risk, public policy changes will meet much resistance from those who stand to lose profits.
JuliaSimmons:
February 06, 2010 - 12:19 PM
A well done and thoughtful letter. Thank you.
And speaking of critical thinking:
This isn't about semantics. The groups had the right to assemble and protest. Bob Kellar has a right to speak his mind, as a private citizen.
Yet he chose to speak as a representative of the City of Santa Clarita, which is a violation of ethics. He does not represent me, or many others here.
I have seen the YouTube videos, from different angles and different times of the rally, and from Bob Kellar's few minutes addressing the crowd.
The behavior of the protesters was aggressive and abusive. Shouting profanities to people walking or driving past who did not have white skin, not knowing if they were legal or not, Hispanic or not, shouting at them to "Go home," and "Get on the 5 and keep going south," and violent rhetoric about buying guns and ammo. They went up to cars stopped at the red light, stuck cameras in the windows and took pictures of people who disagreed with them.
Contrary to participants' post-rally claims, they obviously were not there to protest government policies they don't agree with. They were the angry villagers, with signs instead of torches and pitchforks.
For Kellar to align himself with such racist hate groups, and then act defiantly when his actions are questioned, destroys any credibility he may have once had.
And they are categorized as hate groups, specifically, the Minutemen and Save Our State, regardless of claims to the contrary.
This is not leadership that Kellar demonstrated. He could have taken the high road and called for specific government action. Instead he chose to fear-monger with anti-immigrant talking points, and malign people, not policies.
JimmyStewart:
February 06, 2010 - 12:24 PM
There's no black eye! People need to start standing by their convictions before we lose our country. I'm not talking just about illegal immigration. I'm talking about our economy etc..because if we don't it will be much worse than "a black eye."
JohnnyCash:
February 06, 2010 - 01:14 PM
"Shouting profanities to people walking or driving past who did not have white skin, not knowing if they were legal or not, Hispanic or not, shouting at them to "Go home," and "Get on the 5 and keep going south..."
So let me get this straight. The rally included anti-illegal immigration protestors that included - but were not limited to - whites, African Americans and Latinos.
Julia states that these protestors were shouting at non-whites, but not necessarily Latinos.
So, basically, a group of multiracial protestors were shouting at multiracial passersby.
This sounds to me like a fantastic time to pull the race card.
ryantheray:
February 06, 2010 - 06:15 PM
Mr Galvez does that era long gone you refer to include our founding fathers and our Constitution? No it is you that disrespects our history and exactly who built this country, legal immigrants and proud Americans. And those jobs you imply are done by illegals only is BS. My roommate who is an American, born and raised, cleans houses, the woman who helps me with my yard is an American, born and raised. And those factory jobs along with the farm labor are being denied to American who apply. I know that for a fact, because I know the Americans who have applied, and over and over again they are denied. Yet when you later take a look at who they hired for that same job, you find it was given to someone who can't speak a lick of English, which includes India, China, Mexico and every third world population. Enough is enough. Bob Kellar said what most Americans think and feel. NO it is you Mr Galvez who is out of touch.
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Inflammatory remarks! Whatever were they? I didn't hear any inflammatory remarks. Did you?

What I heard was a simple statement of fact. If someone finds facts inflammatory its just too bad because NO ONE is entitled to their own facts.
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Buck Mckeon should shut the f**k up!
The old windbag is of no value to America.
He is just another neutered whore for whoever hires him.

He heard a real man speak and he couldn't stand it.
So he went out of his way and blew something out of one of his
many gaping holes. Well...it stunk! Just like McKeon.

F**k Buck! Asswipe!!!!
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Buck Mckeon should shut the f**k up!
The old windbag is of no value to America.
He is just another neutered whore for whoever hires him.

He heard a real man speak and he couldn't stand it.
So he went out of his way and blew something out of one of his
many gaping holes. Well...it stunk! Just like McKeon.

F**k Buck! Asswipe!!!!
My sentiments exactly. When is he up for reelection?
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“It was an unfortunate statement,” McKeon, R-Santa Clarita, said in a written statement. “I’d encourage it be clarified, cleared up, apologized for and moved on from.”
Bob already made it clear - he's a "proud American" and for the rule of law, he spoke for millions. What's to apologize for? It was others that called him a "racist", maybe they need to apologize.

One flag - One language, even Obama said to "learn English", I guess Obama is a racist too.
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Buck Mckeon should shut the f**k up!
The old windbag is of no value to America.
He is just another neutered whore for whoever hires him.

He heard a real man speak and he couldn't stand it.
So he went out of his way and blew something out of one of his
many gaping holes. Well...it stunk! Just like McKeon.

F**k Buck! Asswipe!!!!

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Immigration and Border Security

The statesman and political philosopher Edmund Burke once said, “A nation is not a thing of mere physical locality.” That is why the debate on immigration policy has become so heated. It is not just a discussion about how many people the nation needs to admit to sustain its economic development. It is, rather, at its core a discussion about just what kind of nation the United States is going to be.

The urgency of the debate on immigration is linked to numbers – and those numbers are staggering. It is estimated that there are currently between 11 million and 12 million illegal immigrants residing in the United States. On top of that, an additional 500,000 people successfully cross the border illegally each year, overwhelming a system that is already overburdened. This does not include the 750,000 to 1 million immigrants who legally enter the country each year.

Except perhaps in wartime, the nation has never experienced population shifts of these dimensions, and it is unclear just what kind of sociological consequences such changes will have. Certainly, permitting a population that is broadly unfamiliar with the English language to enter the United States in large numbers is something of an uncontrolled social experiment. The precedents for such an experiment are not promising. History, from Belgium to the Balkans, suggests that societies without a common language are not happy, let alone economically prosperous.

That argument is buttressed by these facts: 90% of the increase in people living below the poverty line has come from the immigrant Hispanic population. Not un-coincidentally, since 1980, the number of Hispanics with incomes below poverty level has increased 162%. (The comparable numbers for non-Hispanic whites is 3% and for African-Americans, 9.5%.) In 2004, the already low median wages for foreign born Hispanics in the United States dropped 1.6%. As the journalist Robert Samuelson has noted, America is literally importing Mexico’s poverty.

Even more worrisome, 43% of Hispanics live in neighborhoods with Hispanic majorities – up from 39% in 1990. This is an extraordinary reversal of the usual trend where, as immigrant populations grow in number, they become more, not less, integrated. If demography is destiny, then the American public is right to be concerned about the implications of this statistic.

It is axiomatic that a nation that does not control its borders is not really a sovereign nation. That is why the United States must, before addressing any other issue, reassert control of its borders and enforce existing immigration laws as was outlined in the bill passed by the House of Representatives in 2005.

In this connection, the United States must not grant illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship – amnesty by whatever name. The argument that the Senate immigration bill does not grant “amnesty” because it imposes penalties on illegal immigrants before allowing them to apply for citizenship is tendentious. It is premised on a paradoxical, if unstated, idea that citizenship ought to be a reward for behavior antithetical to the notion of citizenship. Furthermore, it implies that illegal immigration is simply another violation of the law – like speeding or running a traffic light – rather than a negation, one pair of feet at a time, of America’s status as a sovereign country.

To be certain, some form of temporary worker program – excluding the possibility of citizenship - should be explored. Many businesses are facing labor shortages because they require work that Americans are not willing to do. A well regulated program that tracks immigrants and that strictly limits their residence in the United States is a sensible solution to this problem.

That said, more than most countries, the United States is not a “mere thing of physical locality.” It is not simply territory and people, rather it is, as Lincoln said, a nation dedicated to a proposition. That proposition is one of free government and of ordered liberty. For that idea to endure across generations, there must be a citizenry that is deeply marinated in the cultural and political ethos of the nation – including fluency in its language and its history. Serving time and paying back taxes, as the Senate bill proposes, is not sufficient.

The Senate bill is frivolous about things that responsible nations should not be frivolous about – including the idea of what constitutes a citizen. That is why the United States must be stern in the enforcement of its immigration laws. Because it is not just a matter of how many people cross the border, but of what is in their heads when they get here.
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