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Old 02-06-2010, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ole Glory View Post
Copied and Pasted from Buck Mckeon website, his view on:

Immigration and Border Security

The statesman and political philosopher Edmund Burke once said, “A nation is not a thing of mere physical locality.” That is why the debate on immigration policy has become so heated. It is not just a discussion about how many people the nation needs to admit to sustain its economic development. It is, rather, at its core a discussion about just what kind of nation the United States is going to be.

The urgency of the debate on immigration is linked to numbers – and those numbers are staggering. It is estimated that there are currently between 11 million and 12 million illegal immigrants residing in the United States. On top of that, an additional 500,000 people successfully cross the border illegally each year, overwhelming a system that is already overburdened. This does not include the 750,000 to 1 million immigrants who legally enter the country each year.

Except perhaps in wartime, the nation has never experienced population shifts of these dimensions, and it is unclear just what kind of sociological consequences such changes will have. Certainly, permitting a population that is broadly unfamiliar with the English language to enter the United States in large numbers is something of an uncontrolled social experiment. The precedents for such an experiment are not promising. History, from Belgium to the Balkans, suggests that societies without a common language are not happy, let alone economically prosperous.

That argument is buttressed by these facts: 90% of the increase in people living below the poverty line has come from the immigrant Hispanic population. Not un-coincidentally, since 1980, the number of Hispanics with incomes below poverty level has increased 162%. (The comparable numbers for non-Hispanic whites is 3% and for African-Americans, 9.5%.) In 2004, the already low median wages for foreign born Hispanics in the United States dropped 1.6%. As the journalist Robert Samuelson has noted, America is literally importing Mexico’s poverty.

Even more worrisome, 43% of Hispanics live in neighborhoods with Hispanic majorities – up from 39% in 1990. This is an extraordinary reversal of the usual trend where, as immigrant populations grow in number, they become more, not less, integrated. If demography is destiny, then the American public is right to be concerned about the implications of this statistic.

It is axiomatic that a nation that does not control its borders is not really a sovereign nation. That is why the United States must, before addressing any other issue, reassert control of its borders and enforce existing immigration laws as was outlined in the bill passed by the House of Representatives in 2005.

In this connection, the United States must not grant illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship – amnesty by whatever name. The argument that the Senate immigration bill does not grant “amnesty” because it imposes penalties on illegal immigrants before allowing them to apply for citizenship is tendentious. It is premised on a paradoxical, if unstated, idea that citizenship ought to be a reward for behavior antithetical to the notion of citizenship. Furthermore, it implies that illegal immigration is simply another violation of the law – like speeding or running a traffic light – rather than a negation, one pair of feet at a time, of America’s status as a sovereign country.

To be certain, some form of temporary worker program – excluding the possibility of citizenship - should be explored. Many businesses are facing labor shortages because they require work that Americans are not willing to do. A well regulated program that tracks immigrants and that strictly limits their residence in the United States is a sensible solution to this problem.

That said, more than most countries, the United States is not a “mere thing of physical locality.” It is not simply territory and people, rather it is, as Lincoln said, a nation dedicated to a proposition. That proposition is one of free government and of ordered liberty. For that idea to endure across generations, there must be a citizenry that is deeply marinated in the cultural and political ethos of the nation – including fluency in its language and its history. Serving time and paying back taxes, as the Senate bill proposes, is not sufficient.

The Senate bill is frivolous about things that responsible nations should not be frivolous about – including the idea of what constitutes a citizen. That is why the United States must be stern in the enforcement of its immigration laws. Because it is not just a matter of how many people cross the border, but of what is in their heads when they get here.
While Chelene, Bobby, the two young boys and I were in DC a few years back(during the Hold Their Feet to the Fire Campaign) we had an appt. with McKeon over at the Rayburn Building. We were there for about 30 minutes to an hour talking about illegal immigration and voiced our concerns about the amnesty that was coming up. McKeon said that it would not pass and that he was voting against it. But he said that he didn't plan to do much more than that. It was basic lip service. And as far as this latest amnesty, he hasn't signed on to fight it as of yet. So maybe we ought to "Hold his feet to the fire" and send a message.

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Old 02-08-2010, 07:19 PM
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Buck Mckeon should shut the f**k up!
The old windbag is of no value to America.
He is just another neutered whore for whoever hires him.

He heard a real man speak and he couldn't stand it.
So he went out of his way and blew something out of one of his
many gaping holes. stunk! Just like McKeon.

F**k Buck! Asswipe!!!!
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Old 02-09-2010, 10:56 AM
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City lacks power to regulate illegal immigrants

Courts have struck down attempts by local governments to handle illegals

By Jonathan Randles
Signal Staff Writer
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Posted: Feb. 6, 2010 10:17 p.m.
POSTED Feb. 7, 2010 9 a.m.

Since the early 1990s, Santa Clarita officials have considered plans to address day laborers in the city, but the city can't do much to address the problem because issues related to illegal immigration are handled by the federal government, city officials said.

In 1996 the Santa Clarita City Council adopted an ordinance that attempted to regulate day laborers in the city, said Mike Murphy, the city's intergovernmental relations officer.

"(The ordinance) prohibited individuals from soliciting employment while standing in the public right of way," Murphy said. "It also prohibited an occupant of any vehicle from soliciting any person standing in the public right of way."

Santa Clarita adopted the ordinance from Los Angeles County and other cities in Southern California with similar laws, Murphy said.

Federal courts determined the county's ordinance violated citizens' First Amendment rights, Murphy said.

As a result, the ordinance is not used by Santa Clarita, he said.

Murphy said he searched three years worth of e-mails, and letters sent to the city to see if there had been complaints about day laborers in the city. In that time there had been a "handful of complaints," he said.

Not all day laborers are here illegally, Murphy said. And even for those workers who are, illegal immigration is not an issue for the city, but for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, he said.

"The issue of day laborers across the whole history of the city has been about trying to get our arms around it," Murphy said. "Federal law is very clear, the authority for immigration law is with the federal government and not local municipalities."

Santa Clarita staff examined the day labor issue in addressed in 2005 after Councilman Bob Kellar "expressed concern regarding the day laborer situation in the city," according to a council report from January 2005.

Murphy said the city has no estimates on the number of day laborers in Santa Clarita - the number is in constant flux, he said.

His best estimate for the number of illegal immigrants in the city is about 4 percent of the population - or about 7,000.

That is a rough estimate based on national trends, Murphy said.

At the City Council meeting on Jan. 26, a large crowd showed up, mostly to offer support for Kellar who days earlier delivered an inflammatory speech at a rally protesting illegal immigration.

City Council candidate David Gauny told the council to take a stand on illegal immigration before April's council election.

Council candidate TimBen Boydston said he would support the creation of a citizens' task force that could make recommendations to Council members on how Santa Clarita can address local issues related to illegal immigration.

Murphy said occasionally the city will get calls from people asking what the city does to address illegal immigration in the city.

The answer is usually that Santa Clarita's "hands are tied," he said.
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Old 02-09-2010, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Ole Glory View Post
The answer is usually that Santa Clarita's "hands are tied," he said.
They're getting it done at the county level elsewhere, they can do it here as well.

Federal agents training local cops.
See video -

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Old 02-09-2010, 09:34 PM
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Email I just received:
Fellow MM patriots:

Santa Clarita City Council Bob Kellar was absolutely magnificent tonight at the Council meeting.

In his remarks to the audience at the end of the public comments sector, Kellar did NOT back down to the outside agitators, defended the Minutemen Movement that has galvanized thousands of Santa Claritans and millions across our great Land.

Outsiders meddling in the business of Santa Clarita from Los Angles came up threatening lawsuits at al. if Bob did not apologize for his remarks he made as a private citizens, Ja unary 16, 2010, at a Save Our State / Antelope Valley ? Santa Clarita Valley Independent Minuteman rally/ The purpose of that rally was to bring to the public's attention the devastating effects illegal immigration has wrought on our community.

The outsiders were exactly that.. outsiders who wish to export their sanctuary city agenda to our community. No law suit will intimidate Santa Clarita. I am cautiously feeling optimistic the four remaining Council members are starting to realize their position of running for cover on the issue of illegal immigration is untenable, and I am hopeful the Council will place the issue on the agenda. No bullying tactics from the A C L U should deter SAnta Clarita from doing the right thing. Enforce the rule of law.

Kellar-endorsed candidate David Gauny was similarly outstanding in articulating the MM are NOT racist vigilantes as demonized by the Left but are law-abiding citizens of our community who seek a solution to the sobering impact of illegal immigration.

Again, thank you Bob Kellar for your courageous stand these past three weeks. We are with you and support you in every possible manner.


Wednesday, February 17, come here City Council candidates in Center point ( George Caravahlo Recreation Center) , at the Candidates Forum of the Canyon Country Advisory Council, 7pm-9pm,

A Save our State / Santa Clarita Valley Independent MM rally will be held Saturday, February 27, in Valencia. Subject: The dark side of illegal immigration: CRIME. Illegal aliens are not all here to work. I urge you all to attend, and please let your friends and neighbors know. More details on time / location later.

I am continuing to expand my e mail list. Please let me know if you wish to be deleted from further e mails. Also, please forward to any and all of your e mail contacts, and have them contact me to add their e mail address. ALL E MAIL COMMUNICATIONS ARE SENT BLIND CC. Your privacy is protected.

Thank you all and God Bless America.

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