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[JB_Parrothead]

All of this infighting, back biting, finger pointing and PUBLIC accusations against leaders in this fight against illegal immigration just really needs to STOP! It's unbecoming of this organization and to others here who are trying to stay focused on the problems of illegal immigration instead of wasting time and effort reading about all of the "he said, she said," juicy gossip that rears its ugly head in EVERY ORGANIZATION. Just quit playing into it! Those who choose to do this are playing right into the hands of La Raza and the open borders crowd! They (La Raza) come here and read this crap and they're wallowing with delight in it....BET ON IT!!

Air your accusations privately, straight to the person you're having a problem with and privately to persons you feel you need to warn, but don't use a public venue to air your dirty laundry. WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM and/or else trying to be! Personality clashes are small change up against what we are ALL fighting for. If you feel a person or organization doesn't follow the kind of protocol you agree with, go to the source, discuss it maturely and if it can't be solved to your expectations, then leave. Find another place/position to fight from, but remember....we're all here for the same thing....to fight illegal immigration! When one amongst us starts slinging mud, it makes us all look dirty!

Just because Jeff Schwilk chooses to weaken the cause by putting stuff like that memo out there, doesn't mean we should all follow suit. STICK WITH THE AGENDA, keep your focus on the issue. It's not about race or who's a better leader or who within the ranks are frauds! It's about pulling together to pull this country back from the brink of certain death if it is allowed to continue on this nose dive straight down to hell.

William Gheen is out there, putting his money where his mouth is. He is facing the opponent straight on and is not hiding his face or his identity. He has experience in the political arena and I applaude his efforts at trying to unite all Americans against illegal immigration into one huge entity. It's not easy. I believe he truly does believe in free speech, our Constitution and that he loves this country, American culture and his fellow citizens. He is trying to run a legitimate, professional organization and there are some guidelines one has to follow to keep up those appearances and for the organization to have some integrity. He can't allow that to be jeapordized by allowing everyone carte blanche in venting their gut emotions openly on a public venue.

No one liked it when Nancy Pelosi did that...calling the American grass roots Tea Parties against her policies, "Astro Turf." It made her and the other Democrats in her arena look pretty unprofessional and petty. No one can ever take her seriously again. She lost a lot of credibility with just those few words sputtered into a reporter's microphone.

It's William's venue, he pays for it, he maintains it and you must remember he has the right to regulate it as he sees fit. Just like if you come into my home...I'm the boss here, no matter what and you will play by my rules while you're under my roof....period. Same things go for websites.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by JB_Parrothead

All of this infighting, back biting, finger pointing and PUBLIC accusations against leaders in this fight against illegal immigration just really needs to STOP! It's unbecoming of this organization and to others here who are trying to stay focused on the problems of illegal immigration instead of wasting time and effort reading about all of the "he said, she said," juicy gossip that rears its ugly head in EVERY ORGANIZATION. Just quit playing into it! Those who choose to do this are playing right into the hands of La Raza and the open borders crowd! They (La Raza) come here and read this crap and they're wallowing with delight in it....BET ON IT!!

Air your accusations privately, straight to the person you're having a problem with and privately to persons you feel you need to warn, but don't use a public venue to air your dirty laundry. WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM and/or else trying to be! Personality clashes are small change up against what we are ALL fighting for. If you feel a person or organization doesn't follow the kind of protocol you agree with, go to the source, discuss it maturely and if it can't be solved to your expectations, then leave. Find another place/position to fight from, but remember....we're all here for the same thing....to fight illegal immigration! When one amongst us starts slinging mud, it makes us all look dirty!

Just because Jeff Schwilk chooses to weaken the cause by putting stuff like that memo out there, doesn't mean we should all follow suit. STICK WITH THE AGENDA, keep your focus on the issue. It's not about race or who's a better leader or who within the ranks are frauds! It's about pulling together to pull this country back from the brink of certain death if it is allowed to continue on this nose dive straight down to hell.

William Gheen is out there, putting his money where his mouth is. He is facing the opponent straight on and is not hiding his face or his identity. He has experience in the political arena and I applaude his efforts at trying to unite all Americans against illegal immigration into one huge entity. It's not easy. I believe he truly does believe in free speech, our Constitution and that he loves this country, American culture and his fellow citizens. He is trying to run a legitimate, professional organization and there are some guidelines one has to follow to keep up those appearances and for the organization to have some integrity. He can't allow that to be jeapordized by allowing everyone carte blanche in venting their gut emotions openly on a public venue.

No one liked it when Nancy Pelosi did that...calling the American grass roots Tea Parties against her policies, "Astro Turf." It made her and the other Democrats in her arena look pretty unprofessional and petty. No one can ever take her seriously again. She lost a lot of credibility with just those few words sputtered into a reporter's microphone.

It's William's venue, he pays for it, he maintains it and you must remember he has the right to regulate it as he sees fit. Just like if you come into my home...I'm the boss here, no matter what and you will play by my rules while you're under my roof....period. Same things go for websites.

I just love you. Thank you. Everyone read what was written here and take it to heart. We have a big battle coming just ahead of us. That is where our energy should be focused. All the other Anti-illegal organizations are not our enemy, the open borders/pro-amnesty groups ARE. So some of you had problems with some others in the past. It's the past, and please get over it and let's move on. This is the direction we want our new SOS to go. We're working on this.

[LAPhil]

JB, believe me, I couldn't agree with you more. I've been saying the same thing over and over again on this forum since the beginning, but it's like people would rather just keep on with the infighting and airing dirty laundry. There's a forum on another site where practically every post is a bashing of Chelene. I was always friends with Chelene and I refuse to participate in that or bashing any of the other popular targets here. Apparently a lot of people are holding some pretty strong grudges, but since I don't share their personal experiences I can't really judge them because I might be just as resentful if I were in their position. The only reason I bad-mouthed Schwilk is because he was doing exactly the thing I want stopped, just as you do. So far you're the first person to share my sentiments on this.

[JB_Parrothead]

What I would really like to see is all of these leaders in separate anti-illegal immigration organizations come together in a meeting of the minds and join all of these anti-illegal immigration organizations together under ONE BANNER with a BOARD OF DIRECTORS comprised of a member from each organization.

As serious as we all are about fighting illegal immigration from a political front, we really need to go from this:



To THIS:

[LAPhil]

Originally Posted by JB_Parrothead

[COLOR="Blue"]What I would really like to see is all of these leaders in separate anti-illegal immigration organizations come together in a meeting of the minds and join all of these anti-illegal immigration organizations together under ONE BANNER with a BOARD OF DIRECTORS comprised of a member from each organization.

Right on! I don't know why it has to be so difficult to stop all this bickering. We hate them, they hate us, blah, blah, blah. Are we going to keep this up forever? At some point I think the aggrieved parties in all this should be able to air out their differences, face-to-face if necessary. Isn't saving the country more important than all this petty crap?

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by LAPhil

Right on! I don't know why it has to be so difficult to stop all this bickering. We hate them, they hate us, blah, blah, blah. Are we going to keep this up forever? At some point I think the aggrieved parties in all this should be able to air out their differences, face-to-face if necessary. Isn't saving the country more important than all this petty crap?

Amen! Like I said, we have something in the works.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Here's my thoughts on this:

When you have a displaced majority of this size looking to reorganize for a few common causes, you are bound to have disagreements among them. In addition, you have this ripe brew of awakened spirits and revolting citizenry looking for a catalyst that will transform it to the next level. The problem has been here that the catalyst that moves in is all too often one that seeks to turn the host into something that services the desires of the catalyst, or the sorcerer as it were. The last example of this was Arnold. We had all this simmering anger over democrat governing, the energy price crisis, licenses for illegals, etc. Along came the opportunists and inserted their catalyst to mold the brew into their own image. We didn't get licenses for illegals, but they been gettin' everything else but that on his watch. During the period prior to the election, all these republicans were telling their skeptics that they all had to back Arnie (not McLintock), and not slam him for unity, lest they get another dem that would be much, much, worse. Our silence gave us what? Arnie is beholden to the open borders lobby. He's deliberately failed us on everything but the license issue. Things may have gone differently had we publicly raised our hands and asked questions, voiced opposition, and even brought forth the fears we harbored about his candidacy.
So here we have our movement in the same predicament. We've got Nightingales, Simcox's, Gilchrists, Gheen's, Dobbs's, and so on as prospective catalysts. Is it so wrong to flesh out the truths under public scrutiny so we don't get another Arnie? Personally I'm more afraid of people who fear open discussion and disclosure so much that they would threaten, browbeat, deride, or cast out those insisting on it. If they can't survive a little internal fire, they won't do well against the external forces.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

Here's my thoughts on this:

When you have a displaced majority of this size looking to reorganize for a few common causes, you are bound to have disagreements among them. In addition, you have this ripe brew of awakened spirits and revolting citizenry looking for a catalyst that will transform it to the next level. The problem has been here that the catalyst that moves in is all too often one that seeks to turn the host into something that services the desires of the catalyst, or the sorcerer as it were. The last example of this was Arnold. We had all this simmering anger over democrat governing, the energy price crisis, licenses for illegals, etc. Along came the opportunists and inserted their catalyst to mold the brew into their own image. We didn't get licenses for illegals, but they been gettin' everything else but that on his watch. During the period prior to the election, all these republicans were telling their skeptics that they all had to back Arnie (not McLintock), and not slam him for unity, lest they get another dem that would be much, much, worse. Our silence gave us what? Arnie is beholden to the open borders lobby. He's deliberately failed us on everything but the license issue. Things may have gone differently had we publicly raised our hands and asked questions, voiced opposition, and even brought forth the fears we harbored about his candidacy.

So here we have our movement in the same predicament. We've got Nightingales, Simcox's, Gilchrists, Gheen's, Dobbs's, and so on as prospective catalysts. Is it so wrong to flesh out the truths under public scrutiny so we don't get another Arnie? Personally I'm more afraid of people who fear open discussion and disclosure so much that they would threaten, browbeat, deride, or cast out those insisting on it. If they can't survive a little internal fire, they won't do well against the external forces.

The Ah-nold governership is a perfect example, and really, how could people be so foolish? Here was a man who could barely speak English himself, a Catholic married to a Kennedy. Was this guy put in to resist illegal immigration? How could anyone imagine he was? Here was a guy who repeatedly voiced frustration over being inelligible for the Presidency. Here was a guy who has dual citizenship with his country of origin, Austria, and frequently dabbled in the politics there.

This is all a powerful indicator that the struggle against illegal immigration is already seriously compromised by an installation carefully calculated to deflect progress towards real, practical, pragmatic solutions that cut directly to the heart of the problem. What could be more stupid than putting an immigrant in charge of confronting the illegal immigration problem?

Stupid or calculating? And of course, ignorance is always more easy to confront than conspiracy. Silencing discussion is the basic reflex of conspirators. The embarrassment of ignorance always makes a weaker demand for silence.