Back to the Border 2011

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

Truly stated and firmly agreed.



And, unless the dirt bag enablers of illegal migration in Washington are relegated to the dust bin of History never to return, there will never be border security and there will be no meaningful posting of troops on the border.

Agreed. Troops are needed on the border. And the enablers need to be replaced.
Maybe those who are willing to go to the border should be redirected to tracking down the enablers.
According to some information I have received since my previous post, I am retracting my suggestion that a do over of the Minuteman project be attempted.
Since the minuteman project kicked off in 2005 the border has become way to dangerous for groups of well intentioned citizen volunteeers.
The southern border needs to be militarized with U.S. troops with orders to shoot to kill all trespassers. And yes the enablers need to be dealt with first and replaced.
" Back to the Border in 2011 with US Military."

[Eagle1]

We will see real change when heads of the various government organizations are formally charged with aiding and abetting illegal aliens and for committing treason against the American people.

So far border ops are great for intel purposes but the real deal is to prosecute
politicians who are operating outside of their Constitutionally defined limits.

When we have attorneys (Where is FAIR on this?) willing to do this we will also come close to having a civil war on our hands.

Still, border ops are an invaluable means of bringing the truth to the American people.

[Bear Flag Republican]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

We will see real change when heads of the various government organizations are formally charged with aiding and abetting illegal aliens and for committing treason against the American people.

So far border ops are great for intel purposes but the real deal is to prosecute
politicians who are operating outside of their Constitutionally defined limits.

When we have attorneys (Where is FAIR on this?) willing to do this we will also come close to having a civil war on our hands.

Still, border ops are an invaluable means of bringing the truth to the American people.

I don't know where I'm jumping in on this. But I'd like to help with the BOG aspect of border ops. I have family in AZ and friends in OC / SD whom I could visit.

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by Bear Flag Republican

I don't know where I'm jumping in on this. But I'd like to help with the BOG aspect of border ops. I have family in AZ and friends in OC / SD whom I could visit.

We need to find someone on the Border who is reliable and experienced in dealing with enforcement and border patrol agencies.

We can set up an organization right here on this board to move forward with setting up a small intel operation.

I have a friend who lives in AZ within ten miles of the border and I will get some suggestions if any.

Back to the Border 2011
Ron Bass
United Patriots of America.

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

We will see real change when heads of the various government organizations are formally charged with aiding and abetting illegal aliens and for committing treason against the American people.

So far border ops are great for intel purposes but the real deal is to prosecute
politicians who are operating outside of their Constitutionally defined limits.

When we have attorneys (Where is FAIR on this?) willing to do this we will also come close to having a civil war on our hands.

Still, border ops are an invaluable means of bringing the truth to the American people.

Agree with everything you have said here.

FAIR Board of Directors seem like RINOS and don't want to upset too many apple carts.

Lawyers would sue if we showed them the money.

Seems the Immigration and Border Control movement is poorly organized and poorly financed.

[wetibbe]

Originally Posted by Ronbass

Agree with everything you have said here.

FAIR Board of Directors seem like RINOS and don't want to upset too many apple carts.

Lawyers would sue if we showed them the money.

Seems the Immigration and Border Control movement is poorly organized and poorly financed.

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I'm the New York State States Adviser to FAIR. And YOU know Susan Tully and Dan Stein very well. For my part I am very active under the covers and I shun public involvement with FAIRS actions. I rattle cages all the time. I invite you to beat up on Susan with any beefs. She's a sweetheart that likes you and will listen.

Bob Najulski is the East Coast Rep and he should contact you for discussions. Also Joyce Mucci is active and involved. Bob should show his face here.

For the matter of Minuteman actions, an Arizona legislator has said that he is interested in funding actions. Off the record I am promoting that and it is presently stewing. Needless to say we cannot entrust our donors dollars to the old regime. I have proposed that the AZ legislature reimburse patriots for certain expenses based on valid receipts. What I have said is that volunteers do not expect any salary or compensation for services on the line. However, meals, lodging and possibly airfare could be considered.

As to safety,I have two comments.

* Arizona big game hunters encounter the cartels in the out back. The hunters are armed. But there seems to be some understanding that the hunters are after game and not mules. So when they encounter each leaves the other be !

* The cartels are now becoming more aggressive providing armed escorts for the mules. Some may be coked up on their own product. If Minutemen do not try to impede them there will probably not be shootout. But it is very unpredictable. Past Minuteman rules of engagement were - no talk, no speak, not touch.

* It has to be understood that not everyone is a mule. CBP has a special team that rescues distressed illegals. Thus Minuteman border teams should recognise and distinguish the difference and evaluate the threats.

[wetibbe]

For any who didn't know, FAIR has a companion organization IRLI Immigration Reform Law Institute that deals with the legal aspects of consequences to Citizens from illegal immigration.

IRLI has been active for many years and involved in helping to draft legislation for Towns all over America. Hazleton, Pa. is one of many.

http://www.irli.org/

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

For any who didn't know, FAIR has a companion organization IRLI Immigration Reform Law Institute that deals with the legal aspects of consequences to Citizens from illegal immigration.

IRLI has been active for many years and involved in helping to draft legislation for Towns all over America. Hazleton, Pa. is one of many.

http://www.irli.org/

Yes. they supposedly helped Joe Turner draft the initiative that earned him some fame. The one that failed.

[Ronbass]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

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I'm the New York State States Adviser to FAIR. And YOU know Susan Tully and Dan Stein very well. For my part I am very active under the covers and I shun public involvement with FAIRS actions. I rattle cages all the time. I invite you to beat up on Susan with any beefs. She's a sweetheart that likes you and will listen.

Bob Najulski is the East Coast Rep and he should contact you for discussions. Also Joyce Mucci is active and involved. Bob should show his face here.

For the matter of Minuteman actions, an Arizona legislator has said that he is interested in funding actions. Off the record I am promoting that and it is presently stewing. Needless to say we cannot entrust our donors dollars to the old regime. I have proposed that the AZ legislature reimburse patriots for certain expenses based on valid receipts. What I have said is that volunteers do not expect any salary or compensation for services on the line. However, meals, lodging and possibly airfare could be considered.

As to safety,I have two comments.

* Arizona big game hunters encounter the cartels in the out back. The hunters are armed. But there seems to be some understanding that the hunters are after game and not mules. So when they encounter each leaves the other be !

* The cartels are now becoming more aggressive providing armed escorts for the mules. Some may be coked up on their own product. If Minutemen do not try to impede them there will probably not be shootout. But it is very unpredictable. Past Minuteman rules of engagement were - no talk, no speak, not touch.

* It has to be understood that not everyone is a mule. CBP has a special team that rescues distressed illegals. Thus Minuteman border teams should recognise and distinguish the difference and evaluate the threats.

I spoke to Gayle at NJCIC today and she told me that Bob from Fair had sent her an e-mail suggesting they have an event of some kind.
He hasn't contacted me and that's ok.

As far as citizens going back to the border, the only purpose they serve is to embarrass the Feds into doing something. When the MM Project fell apart the Feds were of the hook.
U.S. Military is the correct solution for stopping this narco-terorrist invasion.
A government funded MM op sounds nice but it should be supervised by local sheriffs. A friend on the border told me the MM volunteers would piss off the cartels, then they go home and leave the locals to deal with the pissed off cartels.
Why don't you consider instead supporting a 'Send the U.S. Military to the Mexican Border Immediately" instead of a MM op that won't get the job done.
I personally am tired of accepted no win solutions to everything for the sake of political compromise and political correctness as in Unbalanced budgets, unsecured borders, unconstitutional Federal laws. lt is time to balance our budgets, follow the Constitution and send the Marines to our border and shoot the narco-cartel bastards who are invading our country like we are some kind helpless third world country.
This is a war. it should be fought with our military and not border police aka Border Patrol.
All the best
Ron
See my new blog,
http://sendusmilitarytomexicanborder.blogspot.com/

[wetibbe]

Thanks Ron:

Actually I do support the regular military on the border and have for years. You didn't see some of my old posts. I went a little bit further suggesting a 10 mile demilitarized zone in Mexico if conditions warranted. *( But we don't want to own Mexico ).

I don't believe that there is only one cause or one solution to anything. I thing that BOTH the military on the border and volunteers should, and could, be considered. Recently Congress heard a Pentagon terrorism expert offer DOD assistance. I don' think it is any secret that I am a member of Infragard. So I wrote to the DOD agent, William Wachsler, thanking him and asking him to implement the offer. I included a "wish list" and copied several Congressmen, Senators and top Pentagon officials. I also wrote to Governor Jan Brewer and copied Russell Pearce, Senate leader, telling them about Jim Gilchrist's Minuteman Project aspirations to put 200 hard core veterans on the mountain tops at Cartel lay up areas. He will never raise the funds from donations to implement it. Only some Arizona Government backing will cause it to happen and they are strapped for funds.