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Old 06-17-2015, 05:00 PM
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Did you listen to Trump's announcement? What do you think? He sure hit on some strong points.
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Old 06-17-2015, 06:19 PM
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Did you listen to Trump's announcement? What do you think? He sure hit on some strong points.
Some he did, others he didn't. I think his major accomplishment will be to get the Republican candidates to shoot each other inside the tent.

That's not a good thing.
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Some he did, others he didn't. I think his major accomplishment will be to get the Republican candidates to shoot each other inside the tent.

That's not a good thing.
Well, if ever there was a time for a shoot out it's now. Getting everyone to talk on issues that are politically correct and discussing the harm it's doing is a start.
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Old 06-19-2015, 10:33 AM
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Until recently, Democrat politicians stuck together even if they hated each other. Some of that is changing, I saw some of the viscous invective they normally reserve for any sort of opposition unleashed on one another in some of the more recent California elections.

However, "Republican primary" should be a synonym for "back stab", "smear", "dirty trick" and "fratricide" with special a meaning of doing the enemy's dirty work for him. Then there's always the diehard / sore loser to split the vote during the general election ensuring a Democrat win.

Increasing voter choice and expanding the dialogue or adding to the debate is one thing, eye gouging and kicking each other in the nuts is another and it seems Trump has an industrial size spray can full of of political stink and is ready to start spraying.

As incredible as it is, Hillary has a shot at pulling off the election. If not, if Republican candidates behave in the normal mode ham fisted election mode there's a good chance they will give the election to (shoot self in the head) Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.
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Old 06-19-2015, 04:29 PM
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Well we'll see. If anything it will be interesting to see how the politicians respond and how the public accepts their explanations.

What this country needs is for the citizens to speak louder than the media; to actually start yelling. It is the media that needs a lesson in civics and journalism. If they begin to realize no one believes their crap or depends on them for the truth, then maybe they'll stop trying to lead us down the spiral this country is in.

I just don't see Hillary succeeding at anything. But then again, California has a 30% functionally illiterate rate and we have Moonbeam again in Sacramento. Stupid ignorance is hard to wipe out and Clinton dodges without a question. Maybe the media will try to clean itself up, but that's a long shot.

What Trump did do is expose the hypocrisy of the political class. Now we'll see who is so beholden to the party that they'll commit political suicide one way or the other. I don't care if the GOP explodes, they're no good to me the way they've become. And the Dems are so damaged now that only the far left will defend them.

It will be very interesting to watch the feathers fly.
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I haven't seen the figures, but I understand that the media ranks right down with used car salesmen in the polling.

Sure, a cat fight is always fun to watch and there's nothing so fascinating as watching a train wreck as it happens. And, it's not exactly news that there is plenty of hypocrisy in the political class on both sides.

I will add that I neither like nor trust either side, not the least that both sides sold out their constituencies years ago. I get it.

However, you have to do what works - or at least gets you in a positive direction.

I was with a political group for a year or so that was actually hard working and had a good message. There was some disconnect on how to appeal to the younger crowd, but they were headed in a good direction. Then, the last meeting I attended somehow became a sort of a camp meeting revival, to which I objected and then I left and haven't been back. You bring people in by showing them a way to become gainfully employed and having a piece of the pie through the private sector, not by preaching at them.

In another venue I wanted to present the fact that if the Supreme Court rules that the Obamacare law is to be interpreted not by literal wording but by a subjective judgement of "intent", then literal wording of the 14th amendment and birth right citizenship becomes unraveled. The background discussion had to do with citizenship of former slaves and their descendants and affirm their 2nd amendment rights in order to defend themselves while denying 2nd amendment rights to Indian tribes with whom there were active hostilities - it had nothing to do with illegal migration or birth tourism over a century later. As I anticipated, the subsequent discussion became diverted with the arguable notion that even though it's been going on since Washington's last year in office and that the practice has practically zero chance of changing, the Constitution doesn't support Judicial review by the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court shouldn't be ruling on the constitutionality of either Obamacare or the 14th Amendment.

So, pointing out that Obamacare activists / open borders nut jobs can't have it both ways got side tracked with the unspoken notion that we should be standing on the Supreme Court steps wearing sackcloth and yelling at passersby that judicial review by the Supreme Court is unconstitutional. That stuff doesn't advance a political cause.

You have to do what works, and it has been amply demonstrated that fur and feathers flying around inside the Republican electoral tent doesn't work. If it goes that way, they just may as well take down and stow their circus tent and just go home because they will be wasting everyone else's time by giving the election away.

Hillary is very objectionable and and if you think it's been bad with Obama either Warren or Sanders would be the Obama third term he would have liked to have had in his first term.

Don't give them the election.
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