John and Ken under attack

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

This is the nutshell answer to all discussion before Rim's post:



Not one size fits all beaner bag "Mexicans", but this group of racist individuals

It sure would be nice if some of the non-racist Mexicans would start speaking out against the same ones who are trying to take our free speech. I'm hearing mostly crickets chirping when it would normally be a good time for them to chime in. When it was our turn...when all the nazis, white nationalists, supremacists, and separtists were trying to join us as if we were all one big happy family, we made no bones about who we were, and that they weren't us. Mexicans do not reciprocate in like fashion, and that is what inspires the painters with the wide brush.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

It sure would be nice if some of the non-racist Mexicans would start speaking out against the same ones who are trying to take our free speech. I'm hearing mostly crickets chirping when it would normally be a good time for them to chime in. When it was our turn...when all the nazis, white nationalists, supremacists, and separtists were trying to join us as if we were all one big happy family, we made no bones about who we were, and that they weren't us. Mexicans do not reciprocate in like fashion, and that is what inspires the painters with the wide brush.

I don't have an answer for this. I do know that there are all different types of thinking and concerns across the board with people who are termed "Hispanic". I see a lot of conflict in many of the generations further away from the ancestral countries, sometimes in the first generation. I've known first born in America people of various ages - from old to young - who have expressed vehemence concerning illegals and disdain brown racists, but most who have that feeling have parents who came the right way. Others I've seen who may be fifth generation babble about how they are discriminated against because they are "Mexican", but others will say that such talk is an excuse for personal inferiority or laziness. I'm of the opinion that such a person is usually an asshole who offends people.

I've also heard people who grew up decades ago during a time when genuine white racism was a sort of unwritten public policy and whose parents were from Mexico say things like "the Mexicans brought soccer here when they came". It has been surreal to know people who disdain illegals from Mexico, but have so much of Mexico in their beings and around their houses - and illegals disdain them as well.

I have even met a few Mexican nationals who put down the free loaders, shameless opportunists, those who fail to become educated and believe that people who come to this country should learn the language and learn to be a part of American society - some saying it with varying degrees of English fluency. And it's often said with a "Don't get me wrong, I am proud to be Mexican and I love my culture, but..." somewhere in the conversation.

Maybe a lot of it has to do with many being derived from two cultures but belonging to neither one, I don't know. I see the contradictions every day in my own house. I have seen it in others, from long time friends to people I've just met.

And even with the brown American racists who babble so much about how Mexican they are and how much they "Love our beautiful Mexican culture", just ask them if they were to go to Mexico just how Mexican would they be in that country. It doesn't matter what answer they give you in return, they know for a fact that they would never be considered to be Mexican in Mexico - too much American taint which can never be scrubbed off.

I don't have a definitive answer for why more might not speak up, but I do believe that the broad brush painters do cause many who otherwise would have something to say to step back from it all and just let things take its course. Why help someone who hates you even more than the problem itself without understanding the slightest about you, much less have met you? And maybe third or fourth hand memories through the generations sometimes play a part in that thought as well.

I don't know.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

I went to a City Council meeting tonight and a woman who seemed to be Hispanic came to address the Council. Our town is in VERY BAD FINANCIAL SHAPE!! The woman said she had move to Fillmore in the 90's and then commented, "When we spoke English" She then went on to describe the town as "stagnant". Another complained of the men who loiter around our downtown. But what struck me was what the woman said. She remembers what the town was like before the huge invasion, when it was a small American town that spoke English. The complaint about the loitering was significant because those that are loitering are all Mexican men who don't speak English and scare away the tourists who visit and ride the train, this is a tourist town but just downtown.

People who would not have said anything before are now complaining because the money isn't there, and they're acknowledging why. They see what the invasion has cost.