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Old 07-08-2014, 05:59 AM
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Astute friends:

Listen carefully to the news about the border child surge. It's getting complicated. I'm picking up lots of seeming contradictions, duplicitous spin, propaganda. But is it really?

1. From Obamas speeches.

2. From news pundits in those sessions where the host has 2 or 3 guests with opposing views.

3. From politicians.

The areas of attention are the status of the child and the law(s) that apply.

There are several laws. When it comes to immigration reform normally many think that it is a buzz work for amnesty. Some also think it means a weakening of current immigration laws. Normally I was prone of those who thought it meant simply stripping out many provisions of current Customs and Immigration law. I'm beginning to change my thinking now because it is gradually becoming more and more obvious that there are numerous amendments that Bush and Obama injected.

It is becoming a pathetic joke. Apparently many in the Senate and House actually do not understand all of the laws and further there are many that make their own interpretation or just outright ignore the laws. It is also patently obvious that the courts and judicial system apply their own personal agendas to the cases. And some that blatantly defy the laws altogether and make up their own rules. This can only occur because those in Government who are supposed to enforce the laws refuse to do so and in some cases engage in anti law activity.

The appendages to the base Fed law are:

a) The Bush initiative, Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/08/us...king.html?_r=0

b). Some of these apply to abused children.

c). Some apply only to children from border states Mexico and Canada.

d). Some apply to children of illegal immigrants here already.

e). Some apply to children who Obama authorized by his illegal dream act.

f) Some apply to legal immigrants who overstayed their visas.

I'll be happy to post these other laws in due course. But in the meantime please be very alert and informed.

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Old 07-08-2014, 07:01 AM
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I believe this is a Supreme Court case cited by an open borders member of congress who was arguing in a hearing that the case supported not sending central Americans back. The Democrat congress wench said "Flores case", this is the closest I found after a medium search that could be stretched to apply:

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Flores-Villar v. United States

Plain English Holding: By a vote of four to four (because Justice Kagan was recused), the Court allowed the lower court's decision to stand; that decision rejected the argument that a federal law which establishes different standards for children born out of wedlock outside of the United States to obtain U.S. citizenship, depending on whether the child's mother or father was a U.S. citizen, is unconstitutional. http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files...united-states/
If this is the case she cited, she may have been presumptuous enough to think that no one would take to time to even briefly look into it, the old baffle 'em with bullshit schtick. She either didn't know the facts of the case or she's cynically tossing out a red herring for the gullible.

A side note: Texas governor Rick Perry, a Republican who is somewhat sympathetic to amnesty, wanted Obama to come down to the border and see for himself what a disaster his policies have wrought. Obama ignored it for a while until suggesting a "roundtable meeting" which includes "faith and civic leaders".

Which means that Perry is going to be filibustered and shouted down by the third parties, and there won't be a discussion between Obama and Perry.

Sort of like the "beer summit", but instead of palavering over a beer, Perry will be abused by frothing at the mouth activists while Obama looks on and commits to nothing.
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Old 07-09-2014, 03:00 AM
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It is increasingly desirable for the American people to be knowledgeable about the varied and conflicting laws as well as the comments put out on news programs.

Obama said, when running for office, that he was offering "change". For people sick and tired of George Bush that sounded good but what was missing was the definition of change. As it turns out diabetes and hypertension were to be "changed" to cancer !

Now Obama and entourage are offering "comprehensive Immigration Reform". But again what the snake oil salesman is omitting is the specifics of reform. As Yogi Berra would say: "It's deja vu all over again".

Last night O'Reilly offered that Obama may be ranking among the five 5 worst Presidents in US history and Brit Hume said; He's right at the top of the list. John Stossel said: There are 38 charter flights daily returning illegal aliens ! News to me. I hadn't heard that before !!!!

Now on the matter of Customs and Immigration laws the original provides fines for both civil and criminal violations. Some of the bone heads such as John McCain thought it was a little fine of a hundred dollars or so. True about the civil. But the criminal provides for $5,000 first offense and escalates from there for second offense on up to years of incarceration and even death penalty. It provides penalty's for aiding, abetting and encouraging illegal aliens to stay. Severe fines for failing to register for the draft. Yet none of these fines are ever imposed.

As to the crimes committed by the families of the illegal alien children:

1. Child abuse.
2. Child abandonment.
3. Violations of Customs and Immigration laws carrying heavy fines. These can apply to juveniles and yes there are adults accompanying some children.
4. Human trafficking.

Very serious offenses here in America. But will the Central American countries impose such there ?

And what about Mexico. Issuing visas to cross their country. Allowing the Tex Mex train to haul thousands?

The fees charged by the Coyotes is/are stated to be $300 to $3,000 by some reports and $7,000 to $8,000 by others. Again no-one knows for sure. Is our Government smarter than a 5th grader? The Coyotes get their money but we do not. The Coyotes succeed I crashing our borders at will, easily. No problem. But we can't stop the flow. Score: Coyotes 1 - Obama 0.

Here is John Feeres analysis: http://cis.org/myth-law-abiding-illegal-alien

I communicated with John and told him his synopsis was incomplete. He greed and said he would update it.

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Aha! Just as I thought. BO's fakery and slicky slicky debunked by CIS.

http://cis.org/ICE-Illegal-Immigrant-Deportations

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Old 07-10-2014, 04:27 AM
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Default Coyote in chief facilitator.

Why won't BO go to the border ?

Get ready, get set folks. Your extended family is here.

He wants $3.7 billion. $1.87 billion of that is to be spent taking care of the children !!!! *( Look out, here it comes, the flim flam ). Whether you like it or not you are paying for the kids.

But what about Americans ?

1. 40% of black youth unemployed.

2. Veterans living in tents and cars.

3. Veterans unable to obtain Doctors appointments. Some expiring.

4. 5 million lost their health coverage due to Obamacare.

5. Hospitals stuck with providing hundreds of millions in free care for illegals.

6. Free education at taxpayers expense.

7. Welfare, food stamps, entitlements.

8. Each child of an illegal alien is worth $10,000 annually in benefits.

9. Current estimates are that this debacle will cost $6,000 per child until they are dispositioned.

Kids are now being picked at the Military bases by unknown people, unidentified who are not being asked their immigration status or relationship to the child. And the children are not being tested or treated for diseases.

So BO goes out West to play pool and drink beer then hold fund raisers *( $16,000 @ person, $32,000 @ couple ).

Nice. Flipping the bird to the people.

Go to the border BO ? No. Rome burns while Nero fiddles.

https://www.numbersusa.com/news/pres...policy-changes

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