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Old 03-18-2011, 09:20 AM
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Had a hard time keeping silent on this one too

Picked up the story from American Border Patrol (bless his heart), and was reading the comments after it. Jim sided with the police chief who declared he wasn't going to check immigration status. I think it was inspired by his problems with Barbara Coe, and I understand, and actually don't care if he takes issue with her. But to side with illegal immigrant sympathizers and their policies is sacriligious.
I certainly have no cause to chastise others on the evils of dis-unity, let's all get along within the movement, etc. Quite the opposite. I don't care if we fight, challenge each others propriety, and/or sue each other over infractions. My philosophy has been and remains to be that nobody is above being scrutinized. But that in itself should not give rise to take the side of our opposition when those agendas are boldly counter to those of our own.
Call Barbara names, sue her, have her investigated, tell everyone that you think she's this or that. But don't side with the open borders lobby unless you really are with them
Jim....please re-think your comment on this one:

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_17628939

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Jim Gilchrist Aliso Viejo, California
After some horiffic experiences with the California Coalition for Immigration Reform (CCIR), including assisting in the arrest and imprisonment of one of its non-member associates, I would put more trust and credence in Chief Moore's decision than I would in the opinions of the CCIR.

The California Coalition for Immigration Reform is comprised of some of the most incurable racial and ideological supremacists who present a far more dangerous threat to our domestic tranquility and rule of law than most of the illegal aliens at issue here.

Inasmuch as I am disappointed that Chief Moore's department cannot afford the resources necessary to help the federal government enforce immigration laws, due to the lay off of 300 officers, I think his choice is the best choice possible at this time and under the budget constraints put upon the Chief.

Chief Moore would do well to ignore the intimidation and irrational rants from both extremist sides of the debate at hand and continue leading his police department in the best way he can.

Jim Gilchrist, ...President, The Minuteman Project
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Old 03-18-2011, 10:07 AM
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Old 03-18-2011, 10:40 PM
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I agree that Jim Gilchrist dropped the ball on this one. He should have fought alongside the rest of us to make it known that it is unacceptable for any police Chief to say that addressing issues of being in the country illegally are not a concern that he should undertake.

It takes minutes for any cop to run any of us through their vehicular electronic data system. The same can be done with a connection made to ICE data bases. It isn't that hard of a thing to do.

Since ICE does not pick up illegals then we must provide a means of delivering them to ICE.

It isn't that hard folks.
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:18 AM
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Am I missing something here? Gilchrist hasn't said he is for the lack of enforcement by the Police Chief. He said he understands the dilemma.
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:53 AM
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Am I missing something here? Gilchrist hasn't said he is for the lack of enforcement by the Police Chief. He said he understands the dilemma.
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The California Coalition for Immigration Reform is comprised of some of the most incurable racial and ideological supremacists who present a far more dangerous threat to our domestic tranquility and rule of law than most of the illegal aliens at issue here.
The illegal aliens involved in the 911 attacks on America would have been among the ones Jim is saying wouldn't be as big a threat as CCIR. I don't know how else to interpret that.

Many police chiefs and sheriffs use the money dodge, as does congress, the senate, and just about every open borders advocacy person/group to justify non enforcement, ie we can't afford to build the fence, we can't afford to deport 12 million people, etc
I'm sorry, but I see this more as an effort to compliment that mindset.

Since when is it the policy of immigration law enforcement proponents to justify the sanctuary policies of police chiefs? How did Barbara's comments on this matter seem extremist to Jim. If they were, am I not an extremist then?
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Old 03-19-2011, 08:16 AM
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"The California Coalition for Immigration Reform is comprised of some of the most incurable racial and ideological supremacists who present a far more dangerous threat to our domestic tranquility and rule of law than most of the illegal aliens at issue here."

I couldn't agree with the statement that Jim above at all. I have met with CCIR members a number of times and they are some of the best people in this world.

This one statement alone could invalidate everything else he said. Jim may not like Barbara, and she does not like me at all, but it is improper to impugn the character of the fine members of CCIR.
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This post is indicative of the issue I brought up in this thread. I believe that none of the high profile "leaders" (Gilchist, Nightingale, Coe & Schwilk) are not motivated by their desire to save this country, but by their egos. This is clear by their insistence on ideological purity.
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Old 03-19-2011, 09:41 AM
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This post is indicative of the issue I brought up in this thread. I believe that none of the high profile "leaders" (Gilchist, Nightingale, Coe & Schwilk) are not motivated by their desire to save this country, but by their egos. This is clear by their insistence on ideological purity.
Nightingale and Gilchrist have not been leading much in this movement lately. Nightingale leads on her own starring role, but hasn't applied it to the immigration issue much. Gilchrist is also resting on the laurels of the past. They are not leading, and therefore shouldn't be included using the term. When was the last Nightingale led illegal immigration related event? How 'bout Jim? Seen any border ops which were (are) the foundation of his organization lately? At least Schwilk and Coe are operative, regardless of their coexisting abrasiveness, egotism, and other distasteful characteristics. I believe you need to stop viewing/referring to some of these folks as leaders. Granted there are too few people taking forward positions these days, but there still are people doing things. The movement is not dead simply because a few shitheads got in the spotlight and did some damage
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Old 03-20-2011, 06:12 AM
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I received an E-mail just the other day from Jim Gilchrist, full of fire and brimstone, saying he was initiating some more action.

Here in my part of the country there has been quite a dwindling of patriot action. Only a small handful still have fire in the belly. Seems they must be getting burned out. At the same time I see more and more politicians, congress, senate, Mayors, becoming more aggressive and responsive.

As to Police Chiefs and Sheriffs we, here, have always had the majority of them that don't want to get involved in immigration issues. It's not only the money excuse but also _ "not my job" - "too much work", "I don't get paid for that", "it's the Fed's problem". AND some are sympathetic to the poor beggars. The elected officials keep a sharp eye on voter attitude and they are prone to pandering for votes. New Jersey's Governor Chris Christie, as popular as he is with Republicans, is an outrages butt kisser to the Latino/Hispanic community.

Furthermore, Mayors and law enforcement are attacked viciously, and sued, by the ACLU, PRLDEF, Hispanics and sympathizers, liberals, socialists, communists when they try to enforce laws or pass anti-illegal immigrant ordinances.
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Old 03-20-2011, 07:46 AM
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It is my opinion that in-fighting has caused more harm to what we started some 5 or 6 years ago than anything else. Ego and jealously are the main problems of the past. Also, some of the most active of us have grown older and it is not possible for us to continue. Seems most of our younger simply do not believe things are as bad as we see them to be. I think things are worse than ever and getting worse.
I am willing to listen to anyone who can convince me that I am wrong.
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