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Old 09-05-2010, 11:44 PM
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Default Amtrak's Boston to Chicago run sees crackdown on illegals

August 31, 2010
On the Lake Shore Limited
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/01/o...wed2.html?_r=1

To see what immigration hard-liners really have in mind, ride the Lake Shore Limited between Chicago and New York or Boston. It is a daily Amtrak train that is regularly boarded and searched by the Border Patrol, even though it does not cross any international border.

As Nina Bernstein of The Times reported on Monday, border checkpoints aren’t just at the border anymore. She rode the train in western New York and found agents roaming the aisles, questioning passengers about their citizenship and removing those who could not prove they were here legally. What she described looked like just the kind of aggressive internal immigration enforcement that right-wing politicians have clamored for, but is arbitrary, oppressive and dangerously prone to racial profiling.

The Border Patrol says agents ask for people’s documents as part of a “consensual and nonintrusive conversation.” Passengers could decline to answer, but some told Ms. Bernstein that was theoretical, if not fictional, especially on a darkened train at 2 a.m. And train riders and civil-rights advocates told Ms. Bernstein that the burden of document checks falls hardest on people who look like foreigners. A woman who encountered the Border Patrol while riding a train with her boyfriend, who is Mexican, said: “You’re sitting on the train asleep, and if you don’t look like a U.S. citizen, it’s ‘Wake up!’ ”

This should not be happening. We are well aware of the federal crackdown on illegal immigration, sparked by the clamor for fencing and troops at the border. But we do not recall any discussion of imposing internal immigration checks on public transportation, with agents with dogs and guns randomly hauling people off trains.

The Border Patrol’s mission includes interrogating people as they enter and leave the country, and it is authorized to operate within 100 miles of the border. But as its budget and manpower have soared since 9/11, it is looking like an agency distorted by mission creep, especially on the relatively quiet northern border. In the Rochester area, in western New York, border agents removed 2,788 passengers from trains from October 2005 to September 2009. Rochester sits on Lake Ontario across from Canada, but it is no border city; the border is far out in the middle of the lake.

There is probably a reason the Border Patrol is waging its little-noted campaign on Amtrak and buses way out in rural and western New York and not, say, on the D subway to Coney Island, which happens to be near Kennedy International Airport. Border checks on New York City trains would prompt a much louder clamor about misplaced priorities and racial profiling, and harsher questions about whether the crackdown has anything to do with making the country safer.

Administration officials, including the head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, have recently said their top priority is catching convicted criminals, gang members and other dangerous immigrants. We welcome the call for restraint and discretion in using limited resources. Someone should tell the Border Patrol.
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:36 AM
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I'm not connecting the dots here but that's not unusual for me.

ICE has the legal authority to ask anyone, anytime and for no reason at all to verify citizenship. It's part of interior enforcement for 100 miles.

Now, Arizona is not and did not apply their state law in the same way they want to require probable cause for interior enforcement in their state.

What you are describing is exterior enforcement at the point of entry. Another popular type of legal enforcement is attrition, for example.

Now this would make sense to me concerning laptop and correspondence searches at the border but not for interior enforcement to validate citizenship.

http://geoffatmountallison.blogspot....eckpoints.html

p.s. Who is "we"? I recall a long history of anti-illegals asking for better interior enforcement and that being here illegally, even without commiting another crime, is still a crime and should be enforced.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/sactestimony602.html

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Are you shocked to learn that vigorous law enforcement reduces crime?

In the first year of the experiment, monthly apprehensions - a rough measure of illegal crossings - fell 57 percent across the Border Patrol's Del Rio sector and 78 percent in the area around Eagle Pass. Agents here seized more than $15 million worth of narcotics in November, about four times what they seized in the same month the year before - the result, officials say, of more time spent on the line and less processing border crossers.

Perhaps just as telling, immigrants as far away as Central America have heard of the program and have begun to view this stretch of the Rio Grande as a place to be avoided.

Our supporters of open borders for years argued it is futile to control the borders. They wanted us to to give in to feelings of helplessness and passivity. Instead we got angry, yelled at the gub'mint and they did something about it while trying not to. Now we have more narcotics getting seized because the reduction in the flow of illegals frees up more Border Patrol time to go after smugglers. Border law enforcement works, the border is controllable, and illegal crossings can be brought down to a small trickle.

Border Patrol commanders argue the slackening flow of migrants belies the conventional wisdom that it is impossible to stem illegal migration along a 2,000 mile, or 3,200 kilometer, border. Many veteran officers in the force are now beginning to believe that with sufficient resources, it can be controlled.

We need a wall. We need more monitoring gadgets. We need more Border Patrol agents. We also need prosecution of illegal crossers along the entire length of the border. Plus, we need more interior enforcement of immigration laws.
http://www.parapundit.com/archives/c...forcement.html

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/le...clear-act.html

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Old 09-06-2010, 04:20 AM
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Default I live in New York.

And yes New York is certainly a border state with a long section adjacent to Canada from Vermont to Pennsylvania. In addition we have the Atlantic coastline which is also considered border.

Although the Adirondacks are mountains and forested *( The biggest wilderness area East of the Mississippi ) From Syracuse to Buffalo and South to the Pennsylvania state line there are many farms and dairy's along with the Finger Lakes region vineyards. They employ farm workers. There is a Congressman up there who was harassing ICE/CBP to lay off if the illegal alien farm workers. His constituents were farmers who were after him to go easy !

Back in the heyday of Minutemen, 3,4,5 years ago there was an active group whose leader was on Long Island who periodically organized border watches up around Massena and East. A group of anywhere from several to 15 or so would drive up there 3, 4 hours, stay in a Motel and go to the border crossings. They never saw any illegals but they did kick a soccer ball back and forth across the border to Canadians, until the NY State police confiscated the ball. It was a publicity gimmick.

Once when I drove into Canada I came back through Vermont on a remote county road. There wasn't any border gate, station or check point at all. There are still areas across the USA where border stations are unmanned or only manned 8 to 12 daily. And now that there is more emphasis on the Southern border the invaders are, more and more, thinking about and using the Northern border.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg, NYC, runs a sanctuary. He forbids the police from doing anything about the illegals. There are counterfeiting operations in Queens that sell all documents. Invaders come to Florida by boat, up the coast by bus, buy documents and then on to Towns in NY. I have valid information on more than 100 organizations in the 5 boroughs of NYC and 6 surrounding counties that aid and abet illegal aliens.

Back many years ago when I was a young man I worked for a contractor who did some work in several Towns out there. There are large areas called the muck lands or black dirt country. They were ancestral glacial lakes that silted in and are now very rich soil for farming. I remember the farm workers well, riding in the backs of trucks and working the fields. All American Negro's. They were pretty comical characters. A Town supervisor told us they would get paid Friday night, play poker, get drunk, XXXXX the women from cabin to cabin, fight and be broke on Monday morning borrowing money for tobacco. Melons and other crops would lay in the fields unharvested. My brother and I asked farmers and they allowed us to pick up some of the crops free to take home as they would rot and did rot. Apparently there wasn't sufficient market or maybe a labor deficiency, not sure which.


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Old 09-06-2010, 08:57 AM
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This is why rail is the solution of so many of this country's problems. While there are many rail solutions being proposed, too many of them are poorly motivated.

It is much easier to keep track of people moving on rail than it is keeping track of them in cars. But it is also much easier to keep track of cargo and this is where rail plans are lacking. We can suppress the movement of illegals in rail and we can also suppress the hand of illegals in trafficking cargo as well. And of course, many illegals are moved as cargo too and this is again something easier to police with rail.

Our current rail system is absolutely miserable. It is wretched beyond belief and anyone who has had to stop at a rail crossing and watch the miserable parade of rusty box cars go by knows what I am talking about. Even the somewhat neater rows of crap being shipped in from China isn't very encouraging. Neither is the rows of two by fours on their way to some pathetic real estate development.

It should be a federal crime for illegals to be operating a vehicle of any kind. Bicycles too.
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Old 09-06-2010, 04:41 PM
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As Nina Bernstein of The Times reported on Monday, border checkpoints aren’t just at the border anymore. She rode the train in western New York and found agents roaming the aisles, questioning passengers about their citizenship and removing those who could not prove they were here legally. What she described looked like just the kind of aggressive internal immigration enforcement that right-wing politicians have clamored for, but is arbitrary, oppressive and dangerously prone to racial profiling.


This potential for racial profiling can easily be filtered out by having the agents handle it in the same manner as cops conduct DUI/License Check enforcements stops. Simply question every 3rd passenger they pass (or every 6th or every 8th, etc. etc.) If, after questioning the person, the interrogated is unable to produce I.D., that gives reas. suspicion to question the folks traveling with him. They have to be systematic about it and it'd probably be wise to film it.
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