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Old 12-16-2009, 07:55 PM
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http://www.ocregister.com/news/acost...y-meeting.html

SANTA ANA A federal jury determined today that the city of Costa Mesa and Mayor Allan Mansoor did not violate an immigration advocate's right to free speech when he was ejected from a 2006 council meeting.

The verdict, which came after about an hour of deliberations, concludes Benito Acosta's federal trial against the city and Mansoor. Acosta alleged that his first amendment rights were violated when he was cut off abruptly from speaking during a contentious January 2006 meeting.
Article Tab : Coyotl Tezcalipoca, 25, of Costa Mesa, a member of Tonatzin Collective just before being arrested by Costa Mesa police during Tuesday's council meeting.
Coyotl Tezcalipoca, 25, of Costa Mesa, a member of Tonatzin Collective just before being arrested by Costa Mesa police during Tuesday's council meeting.
ARMANDO BROWN, THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER

costa, a Latino activist who goes by the name Coyotl Tezcatlipoca, was backed by the Southern California branch of the American Civil Liberties Union.

"We're disappointed with the jury's verdict, but we are happy to have had our day in court," said Belinda Escobosa Helzer, one of Acosta's ACLU attorneys.

Acosta was an Orange Coast College student when he spoke at the council meeting against a proposal to allow Costa Mesa police to enforce federal immigration policies. He was among nearly two dozen speakers on the issue, which had thrust the city into the limelight.

Acosta was arrested at the council meeting on suspicion of disturbing an assembly, interfering with the meeting and resisting police officers.

In 2005, city leaders also voted to shutter a city-sponsored job center, which citizens argued attracted illegal immigrants and wasted taxpayers' money. The center opened in 1988 in response to complaints about loitering, traffic problems and unsafe conditions when day laborers mostly Latino searched for work on streets and at parks.

During the trial, which began Dec. 2, Acosta's attorneys alleged that Mansoor allowed Jim Gilchrist, co-founder of the Minutemen, to speak over his allotted three minutes during public comments. Acosta's comments, however, were cut off by the mayor after the activist urged audience members to stand up.

Mansoor testified that he was just trying to keep the meeting safe and orderly.

Attorneys argued that Acosta suffered physical injuries, emotional trauma and public humiliation as a result of being removed from the council chambers by police officers.

Two years ago, the city's criminal case against Acosta, now a UC Irvine student, was dismissed because the city's prosecutor was not sworn in when the case was filed.

"We still believe in the principle of free speech rights and the right of residents of Costa Mesa and other cities across Orange County to openly criticize their city officials," Helzer said.
Acosta's attorneys will review the trial proceedings and determine if there are any grounds for appeal, Helzer said. Acosta wants to now focus on his final exams, she said.
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Old 12-16-2009, 08:09 PM
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And it was decided by a jury from Santa Ana too,

Now he knows what humiliation really is
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Old 12-16-2009, 08:15 PM
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Good. It's about time.

Here are some excerpts from a Commentary piece by Gustavo Arellano a couple weeks after the 1-3-06 Monsoor incident.

It seems the subject lacks sensible timing concerning when to shut up...

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Razin' La Raza

Whether posing as protesters or cutting off speeches, OC police clamp down on immigrant-rights activists

Gustavo Arellano

January 19, 2006


Coyotl Tezcalipoca wanted to wrap up his speech with a dramatic flourish, and a police chokehold helped him get there more quickly.

On Jan. 3, Tezcalipoca, a 25-year-old from Santa Ana, stood before the Costa Mesa City Council and berated them for approving a motion that would allow the city's police to check on anyone's immigration status. Proponents and other opponents of the ordinance also spoke that night. Most used the full three minutes Mayor Allan Mansoor allowed for public comments.

But just a little over two minutes into Tezcalipoca's speech, Mansoor cut him off. "I'm not finished," Tezcalipoca protested. Three officers quickly surrounded the podium; Tezcalipoca turned to leave but stopped short when one of the officers grabbed his arm. "Don't touch me!" Tezcalipoca told the officers. The stand-off lasted briefly, until Costa Mesa Police Chief John Hensley, dressed in something like a baby blue Hollywood Suit Broker ensemble, leaned into the little circle and said something to his men. The three officers suddenly, forcefully grabbed Tezcalipoca and removed him from the council chambers. KABC-TV video shows they placed him in a chokehold and dragged him into the Costa Mesa Jail (conveniently located next door) as an officer kneeled on Tezcalipoca's back (see video of the incident here; link courtesy of immigrationwatchdog.com). Officers booked him on suspicion of disturbing an assembly, interfering with a council meeting and resisting an officer.

Tezcalipoca faces a Feb. 3 court date in Orange County Superior Court. That same day, Los Angeles resident Hugo Sarmiento will appear for a trial-setting hearing. He's charged with three felonies and a misdemeanor for allegedly throwing a full Shasta Cola can at police officers during a May 25 protest in Garden Grove following a speech by Minuteman founder Jim Gilchrist.

Local activists and the Orange County chapter of the ACLU are monitoring both cases closely. They fear that a conviction in either will chill the growing number of young Latinos who counterprotest anti-immigrant groups like the Minuteman Project across Southern California. But it may be too late: as the stories of both Sarmiento and Tezcalipoca show, law-enforcement officials are already working hard to squash the movement before it blooms...



...Tezcalipoca declined comment, citing his pending court date. Mansoor returned a call but refused to say whether he agreed with the actions of the Costa Mesa Police Department. Mansoor did say he couldn't remember "off the top of my head" if he knew any other speaker being accosted by cops during a council meeting.

But Jan. 3 wasn't the first time Mansoor stopped Tezcalipoca from speaking. On Dec. 7, when the Costa Mesa City Council approved the police-immigrant ordinance, Mansoor ended the public comments section after Tezcalipoca called him a "fucking racist pig." Tezcalipoca was about halfway through his three minutes...
Full article: http://www.ocweekly.com/2006-01-19/news/razin-la-raza/2

Arellano works for the OC Register and writes the !Ask a Mexican! column.

He also has a book out by that title.
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This is exactly what their goal is, to use up our tax dollars on court costs and bog down our court system with frivolous cases.
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This is exactly what their goal is, to use up our tax dollars on court costs and bog down our court system with frivolous cases.
The courts are already bogged down.

I doubt that any of these guys really want to go to jail or pay fines and incur legal expenses to "prove" their point.

Jail is a nasty place, and they'll find a very unpleasant reality about racism and violence in Jail.
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The courts are already bogged down.

I doubt that any of these guys really want to go to jail or pay fines and incur legal expenses to "prove" their point.

Jail is a nasty place, and they'll find a very unpleasant reality about racism and violence in Jail.
SANTA ANA A federal jury determined today that the city of Costa Mesa and Mayor Allan Mansoor did not violate an immigration advocate's right to free speech when he was ejected from a 2006 council meeting.Quote

This was after the fact. This case brought by the ACLU would not have put the phony Indian in jail, but instead was a tactic to intimidate anyone trying to stand up to the invaders and threaten or actually put them in jail. It was a separate case from the charges filed against the phony Indian.

The ACLU, Mexico and so many other are using our court system against us. They know that many of the charges and cases being filed will overwhelm the system and it works in their favor. First by gaining more time, and second by just granting what ever they want because they are entitled to their day in court and it can't be provided. Similar to letting so many prisoners out early because there's no room. You just overwhelm the system and get what you want. If they're not given what they want then they can, and will, cry they're victims and have not been given proper justice in our courts.
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SANTA ANA A federal jury determined today that the city of Costa Mesa and Mayor Allan Mansoor did not violate an immigration advocate's right to free speech when he was ejected from a 2006 council meeting.Quote

This was after the fact. This case brought by the ACLU would not have put the phony Indian in jail, but instead was a tactic to intimidate anyone trying to stand up to the invaders and threaten or actually put them in jail. It was a separate case from the charges filed against the phony Indian.

The ACLU, Mexico and so many other are using our court system against us. They know that many of the charges and cases being filed will overwhelm the system and it works in their favor. First by gaining more time, and second by just granting what ever they want because they are entitled to their day in court and it can't be provided. Similar to letting so many prisoners out early because there's no room. You just overwhelm the system and get what you want. If they're not given what they want then they can, and will, cry they're victims and have not been given proper justice in our courts.
I agree, didn't catch on to what you were saying at first.
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Apart from the fact that the ACLU is polluted with left wing radicals, they are also attorneys. "Some" may actually harbor do good-er sentiments and may further be ideologues. However, I have come to the sad conclusion that all of this incessant attacking and suing of Towns and others over illegal immigrants over the attempts to enforce immigration laws stems from two basic causes:

#1. A shocking number of academics are left leaning, liberal progressives. The universities are brain washing the students. Some swallow it and some don't. Those are the younger ones still in college.

#2. Lawyers being lawyers, they go for the gold. Deep down inside it's the money that talks loudest. They attack Towns and win huge cash awards. The temptation's is overwhelming. They do it first and foremost for the money. Those are the older ones. They are like vultures always circling for carrion.

The ACLU, in my opinion, is very subversive, very dangerous and very damaging to our country. They are in a category with the likes of the PRLDEF and MALDEF.
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