Some here might not like it but.....

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

The guide to border crossing was created during the Vicente Fox administration. There was an official Mexican Government policy of helping to push hundreds of thousands of Mexicans across the border annually for the next 20 years. The Mexican Government Grupo Beta was designed to help "immigrants" with transportation, lodging, directions and other assistance in moving North. As of last week, according to a documentary aired on TV, Grupo Beta is still alive well and doing the same thing. The Ferrocarill de la Muerte, the Death Train, freight train that runs from Mexico's Southern border to the East Texas border is still carrying swarms of immigrants on top of the box cars. The invaders lay around the train yard waiting for trains. According to the recent videos they are left alone essentially unmolested by Mexican authority.

The Catholic Church built a "safe house" accommodation to house and feed transient immigrants on their way North, in South Central Mexico. National Geographic aired a documentary showing the facility and interviewed the Italian priest who manages the place. Construction costs were financed from the Vatican with the churches full knowledge and assistance.

A "safe house" was also located in South Texas that accommodates, hides, feeds, bunks the invaders. It was being run by Catholic nuns.

In Eastern Long Island there is a church near Riverhead that aids abets and assists, feeds, teaches illegal aliens and brings them into the Church to fill pews. The same applies in the New York City Archdiocese.

The Catholic Church is significantly and materially involved up to it's eyebrows in aiding and abetting the illegal trafficking of humans.

Yes you're correct, but also the Lutheran and many other churches are supporting this invasion. But as I've said before, I'm an atheist so I don't listen to most of what they say and understood a long time ago how much damage and brainwashing these self righteous organizations are. What has really been the biggest pro illegal movement in our country, by far bigger than the churches, has been our schools, but hardly anyone mentions that. Next it would be the unions. Most are so self righteous and trying to pretend the power to be gained by having the illegals join them is not the issue, but that's exactly what the issue is.

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

Yes you're correct, but also the Lutheran and many other churches are supporting this invasion. But as I've said before, I'm an atheist so I don't listen to most of what they say and understood a long time ago how much damage and brainwashing these self righteous organizations are. What has really been the biggest pro illegal movement in our country, by far bigger than the churches, has been our schools, but hardly anyone mentions that. Next it would be the unions. Most are so self righteous and trying to pretend the power to be gained by having the illegals join them is not the issue, but that's exactly what the issue is.

One other thing to point out regarding Protestant churches that support the illegal alien invasion; those that do this are almost all entirely liberal in their theology.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

Yes you're correct, but also the Lutheran and many other churches are supporting this invasion. But as I've said before, I'm an atheist so I don't listen to most of what they say and understood a long time ago how much damage and brainwashing these self righteous organizations are. What has really been the biggest pro illegal movement in our country, by far bigger than the churches, has been our schools, but hardly anyone mentions that. Next it would be the unions. Most are so self righteous and trying to pretend the power to be gained by having the illegals join them is not the issue, but that's exactly what the issue is.

The Protestant contribution to illegal immigration is of absolutely no direct consequence. The only thing it really shows is how completely US Protestants have been enfranchised by the Catholic Church. Illegal immigration is a global problem created by Muslims and Catholics who are completely unembarrased to subjegate families to the engine of extending the domination of either one by dominating the birth rate. Notice that in either Catholic or Islamic countries, neither one threatens the either one with population dynamics. It is only in Protestant or non-Catholic countries occupied by either Catholics or Muslims or both. Notice also that reaction to Muslim population explosions in Protestant countries is completely enfranchised by Catholics and of course nobody dares complain about the Catholics.

Population explosions are the basic issue and the flowing of populations out of areas of high population density to areas of low population density. This means migration from Muslim or Catholic countries into countries where either of these are not the majority. The problem of overpopulation, of course, does not even exist according to these two systems of beliefs and any effort to confront the problem on a global scale is squashed by them as well.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Twoller

The Protestant contribution to illegal immigration is of absolutely no direct consequence. The only thing it really shows is how completely US Protestants have been enfranchised by the Catholic Church. Illegal immigration is a global problem created by Muslims and Catholics who are completely unembarrased to subjegate families to the engine of extending the domination of either one by dominating the birth rate. Notice that in either Catholic or Islamic countries, neither one threatens the either one with population dynamics. It is only in Protestant or non-Catholic countries occupied by either Catholics or Muslims or both. Notice also that reaction to Muslim population explosions in Protestant countries is completely enfranchised by Catholics and of course nobody dares complain about the Catholics.

Population explosions are the basic issue and the flowing of populations out of areas of high population density to areas of low population density. This means migration from Muslim or Catholic countries into countries where either of these are not the majority. The problem of overpopulation, of course, does not even exist according to these two systems of beliefs and any effort to confront the problem on a global scale is squashed by them as well.

My research does not agree with what you are stating. The impact of the Catholic Church and the non Catholic christian churches is huge, specifically the Lutheran. So I would go by my own research which I know as fact rather than your statement.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

My research does not agree with what you are stating. The impact of the Catholic Church and the non Catholic christian churches is huge, specifically the Lutheran. So I would go by my own research which I know as fact rather than your statement.

Research? Could you share some references, or is this just personal experience?

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Twoller

Research? Could you share some references, or is this just personal experience?

Haven't you been paying attention? My god read who is doing all the protecting. Go to the leftist nonprofits and see what churches they are connected with. The church we protested in Simi Valley that was harboring the illegal wasn't a catholic and I don't believe the one we protested in Long Beach was either, and neither was the one in Chicago. There are plenty of other christian churches that are on board with the illegals and do even more in participating to protect them than the Catholic Church does with the sanctuary crap.

[Twoller]

Originally Posted by Jeanfromfillmore

Haven't you been paying attention? My god read who is doing all the protecting. Go to the leftist nonprofits and see what churches they are connected with. The church we protested in Simi Valley that was harboring the illegal wasn't a catholic and I don't believe the one we protested in Long Beach was either, and neither was the one in Chicago. There are plenty of other christian churches that are on board with the illegals and do even more in participating to protect them than the Catholic Church does with the sanctuary crap.

Like I said,

Originally Posted by Twoller

The Protestant contribution to illegal immigration is of absolutely no direct consequence. The only thing it really shows is how completely US Protestants have been enfranchised by the Catholic Church. ... Notice also that reaction to Muslim population explosions in Protestant countries is completely enfranchised by Catholics and of course nobody dares complain about the Catholics.

Population explosions are the basic issue and the flowing of populations out of areas of high population density to areas of low population density. This means migration from Muslim or Catholic countries into countries where either of these are not the majority. The problem of overpopulation, of course, does not even exist according to these two systems of beliefs and any effort to confront the problem on a global scale is squashed by them as well.

It doesn't matter what churches participate in harboring illegal immigrants. In fact, it doesn't even matter if the illegals are themselves not Catholic. When illegals leave countries with high population density, those countries are either Muslim or Catholic and, most likely, Catholic. Especially South and Central America which is all Catholic. When Protestant churches participate in harboring illegal immigrants, they serve the Catholic church, the social pretext under which they operate is a Catholic franchise and Catholic countries benefit.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Twoller

Like I said,



It doesn't matter what churches participate in harboring illegal immigrants. In fact, it doesn't even matter if the illegals are themselves not Catholic. When illegals leave countries with high population density, those countries are either Muslim or Catholic and, most likely, Catholic. Especially South and Central America which is all Catholic. When Protestant churches participate in harboring illegal immigrants, they serve the Catholic church, the social pretext under which they operate is a Catholic franchise and Catholic countries benefit.

Please stop arguing with everyone on everything. You just don't give up. Even when facts don't line up with your opinion you twist to to fit. Is arguing all your interested in doing?

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Twoller

Like I said,



It doesn't matter what churches participate in harboring illegal immigrants. In fact, it doesn't even matter if the illegals are themselves not Catholic. When illegals leave countries with high population density, those countries are either Muslim or Catholic and, most likely, Catholic. Especially South and Central America which is all Catholic. When Protestant churches participate in harboring illegal immigrants, they serve the Catholic church, the social pretext under which they operate is a Catholic franchise and Catholic countries benefit.

Here are the numbers.
Survey Detects Church Support for Immigration Reform
Wednesday March 24, 2010
WASHINGTON (RNS) A new survey detected broad support among religious groups for comprehensive immigration reform, rebutting a December survey showing most religious communities want to send illegal immigrants home.
According to the new study, released Tuesday (March 23) by the Public Religion Research Institute, 86 percent of U.S. voters support a provision for an earned pathway to citizenship in which undocumented immigrants would need to pay taxes, work, register with the government and learn English before they can apply for citizenship.
The Rev. Tom Reese, a senior fellow at Georgetown University's Woodstock Theological Center, said he was encouraged by the findings.
"People are clearly aware that our immigration system is broken," Reese said. "People want a system that not only is good for our national security and our economy but also one that protects the dignity of every human person and keeps families together."
The new study showed 92 percent of Catholics, 90 percent of white evangelicals and 87 percent of white mainline Protestants favor an earned pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.
A Zogby poll released last December by the more conservative Center for Immigration Studies, however, showed that 64 percent of Catholics and mainline Protestants, along with 76 percent of "born-again" Protestants, support enforcement to encourage illegal immigrants to go home.
Researchers on the new survey said their results in favor of reform were consistent, even when the wording of the question was changed to ask if the United States should deport illegal immigrants. A slight majority, 56 percent, disagreed; Catholics (61 percent) were more likely to disagree than white mainline Protestants (54 percent) and white evangelicals (47 percent).
Robert P. Jones, CEO of Public Religion Research Institute, said his poll was more accurate because it was based on random telephone calls, while the Zogby poll relied on an online internet panel.
Katie Paris, communications director for the left-leaning group Faith in Public Life, said the new poll chips away at the notion that clergy support immigration reform while their congregants do not.
"The idea promulgated by opponents of comprehensive immigration reform that faith leaders are somehow way out ahead of people of faith on immigration reform is a myth," she said.
The poll was based on a nationwide telephone survey of 1,201 registered voters; it had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
http://blog.beliefnet.com/news/2010/...ch-support.php