Back to the Border 2011

[Ronbass]

The Posse Comitatus Act does not prohibit US Military on our borders.

US Military is allowed as authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress
http://www.unitedpatriotsofamerica.c...5/default.aspx

[ilbegone]

They were on the border in a limited fashion for anti drug smuggler duties before, but it seems it was withdrawn after the kid was killed. I would like to see them there, but I see this to be the main publicly verbalized objection to deploying military along the border. The argument against would be formulated around posse comitatus about Using the military against US citizens. As I recall, Posse Comitatus came about because of the Union occupation using the Military for policing the south after the Civil War with the connotation of the Army being used against against American citizens. The kid was a US citizen.

It's like a war zone from what I understand, we could use them there.

One link to the incident of the kid who died: http://www.ndsn.org/july97/goats.html, I haven't researched enough to draw an opinion of whether it's slanted or not, I just remembered the incident a few minutes ago. I think the article dates it in 1997.


Edit in: I posted this before I read Ron's link to the posse comitatus - the link is a great read, adressed the argument against posting troops on the border.

[wetibbe]

Originally Posted by Ronbass

The Posse Comitatus Act does not prohibit US Military on our borders.

US Military is allowed as authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress
http://www.unitedpatriotsofamerica.c...5/default.aspx

Great article. I agree completely. But we will need a totally new Government before anything like that happens.

Interestingly a Pentagon spokesman testified before Congress last week and offered DOD assistance with the border invasion !!

Now the shocker. Here-to-fore 230 cities in the USA were said to be have the Cartels operating within. The newest just out is - 1,238 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by wetibbe

Great article. I agree completely. But we will need a totally new Government before anything like that happens.

Interestingly a Pentagon spokesman testified before Congress last week and offered DOD assistance with the border invasion !!

Now the shocker. Here-to-fore 230 cities in the USA were said to be have the Cartels operating within. The newest just out is - 1,238 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I agree, and it's the key to meaningful immigration enforcement:

But we will need a totally new Government before anything like that happens.

The bums need to be ejected from public office.

Bill, can you cite your sources for the pentagon spokesman and the cartel expansions? I really like the first - it's good news, the second needs to be confirmed and disseminated.

[wetibbe]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

Yes, I agree, and it's the key to meaningful immigration enforcement:



The bums need to be ejected from public office.

Bill, can you cite your sources for the pentagon spokesman and the cartel expansions? I really like the first - it's good news, the second needs to be confirmed and disseminated.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>

Pentagon spokesperson William Wachsler:
The threat is so great that the assistant Defense Secretary offered federal legislators military assistance in the name of protecting national security.

http://www.federalobserver.com/2011/...er-assessment/


Mexican Drug Cartels Operating in at Least 1,286 U.S. Cities


Written by Kelly Holt

Tuesday, 19 April 2011 11:03


On April 13, All Headline News reported that the influence of Mexican drug cartels operating in U.S. cities is growing because cartel members are becoming residents. Roberta Jacobson, Deputy Secretary of State for Mexico and Canada, brought this information to a political forum in Washington, D.C., quoting a March 27 report from the Justice Department. The findings are also being widely disseminated in the Mexican media




http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...business-in-us

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Jim Gilchrist said:

Deployment of U.S. Army into northern Mexico
The time to deploy U.S. Army Airborne Rangers into Mexico to eliminate the criminal cartels headquartered there is long overdue.

We do not need permission from the Mexican government, much of which is as corrupt as the criminal cartels harbored there,to launch a military incursion into that country. All that is apparently necessary for a unilateral decision to insert U.S. troops into a foreign country is that such country is deemed a clear and present danger to the United States.

Mexico, the hub of both the lethal drug distribution throughout North America and the importation of millions of illegal aliens into our communities, has been a "clear and present danger" to the domestic tranquility of the United States for several decades.

Because Mexico has been unable or unwilling to stop the exodus of illegal aliens and criminal drug cartels from its country into the United States, our nation's domestic tranquility, its coveted governance by rules of law, and economic well-being are at serious risk of becoming fading principles of a fading civilized society.

Any sincere political office holder would defend our homeland and its heralded way of life and not succumb to "mob rule"...that "mob" being about 30 million illegal aliens (mostly from Mexico and Central America)who currently occupy U.S. territory.

This blatant invasion and defiance of our laws has proliferated rapidly over the past two decades against the will of the electorate and with the cooperation of incompetent, cowardly, collaborating politicians who have no leadership skills and no business holding public office.

It is time to deploy the Army Rangers into Mexico if we want to preserve ourselves as a sovereign nation with justice for all.

Jim Gilchrist, Founder and President, The Minuteman Project

[ilbegone]

Thank you for the info, Bill.

Ron,

I looked into the grand jury thought I presented - it won't work under the circumstances - they would have to be sued civilly.

As I understand it:

A grand jury is selected from a jury pool and convened by a prosecutor to determine if there is probable cause to file charges.

OK... Federal prosecutors work for Obama... not a snowball's chance in hell for an indictment for obstruction of immigration law.

I'm going to check into judicial watch and see if federal employees can be successfully sued for obstructing immigration law.