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[Kathy63]

When the federal judge ordered the water to the farms and ranches cut off, it was to protect the snail darter fish.

There was no lessening or reduction in the criminal alien invasion. What happened was that everyone found their water useage reduced. We do buy a lot of produce mostly from Chile (which has mechanized farms). More now than before because now there is very little California grown produce at all.

If you like what's happened to the produce, you will love what is going to happen to poultry and eggs because this is the last year we will have domestic affordable food like that. Again, because of foolish legislative actions. If the farmers haven't already left, they will now.

If you want a good picture of what the future of California is, look at Haiti.

[Don]

I heard an internet radio show by farmers who are into this stuff and from what I could gather, under these goof ball free trade arrangements we export substantial amounts of food and import other food. The net effect is that we're losing control over our domestic food supply and will be vulnerable to imports...like Great Britain in two world wars was vulnerable to blockade and starvation.

The whole structure of our country is being manipulated so as to make us as vulnerable and weak as possible. The illegal alien invasion is just one aspect of it.

[Jeanfromfillmore]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

When the federal judge ordered the water to the farms and ranches cut off, it was to protect the snail darter fish.

There was no lessening or reduction in the criminal alien invasion. What happened was that everyone found their water useage reduced. We do buy a lot of produce mostly from Chile (which has mechanized farms). More now than before because now there is very little California grown produce at all.

If you like what's happened to the produce, you will love what is going to happen to poultry and eggs because this is the last year we will have domestic affordable food like that. Again, because of foolish legislative actions. If the farmers haven't already left, they will now.

If you want a good picture of what the future of California is, look at Haiti.

Kathy I wasn't implying there was a reduction in the invaders, and I'm not happy that a large amount of our produce is coming from south of the border. Who knows was sewer water or contaminated fields they're using. What I stating is we have limited resources and killing off something to support another that shouldn't be here in the first place will come back to bit us is the rear in the years to come. The growers are scamming the public big time and that needs to be exposed. The land may eventually be turned into housing, which needs more water. That's what they tried to do with the Newhall land development. That is all agricultural land that runs along Highway 126 from just about where Piru ends all the way to interstate 5. That would house a lot of people, but requires tremendous amounts of water. That is why Ventura County said no, because we are a big agricultural county and that water has to go toward growing food. If this invasion continues, they will have to build more housing, and the farmers will lose. But this battle will continue until the farmers and government come to the realize we can't have both. If we keep giving the farmers water when it is damaging other natural resources, which fish are (even small fish feed big fish) the problem gets swept under the rug until there's no turning back. Someones got to take a hit before they will deal with anything. Let it be the farmers, and let's hope they all wake up before this state is nothing but housing and concrete.

[Kathy63]

A country that cannot feed itself will not survive. It will be dependent on whoever provides the people's food much like a pet. Haiti grew its own food prior to the slave revolt. Zimbabwe was once the breadbasket of Africa until the farmers were slaughtered and the crops burned in the fields.

If we do not resurrect our farmlands, we have a future of the people standing in UN food distribution lines.

To imagine that cutting off the water to farms will have some effect on the invasion is extremely short sighted. The invaders will have the water and YOU and I will be paying the bill, and we STILL have to import our food. As long as we can pay for it that is. After all, without the ability to grow our own, an exporter can charge whatever it wishes.

I fail to see how the growers are scamming anyone when they have lost farms, orchards and ranches that have been in families for generations. I see no scam in rich topsoil blowing away as dust. Some of these growers have lost everything they have. Now you might say they employed criminal aliens and deserve the loss. Even if it is true, I fail to see how such "scamming" to the point of losing everything is beneficial. Or how the loss of tens of thousands of acres of farmland benefits us.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Kathy63

A country that cannot feed itself will not survive. It will be dependent on whoever provides the people's food much like a pet. Haiti grew its own food prior to the slave revolt. Zimbabwe was once the breadbasket of Africa until the farmers were slaughtered and the crops burned in the fields.

If we do not resurrect our farmlands, we have a future of the people standing in UN food distribution lines.

To imagine that cutting off the water to farms will have some effect on the invasion is extremely short sighted. The invaders will have the water and YOU and I will be paying the bill, and we STILL have to import our food. As long as we can pay for it that is. After all, without the ability to grow our own, an exporter can charge whatever it wishes.

I fail to see how the growers are scamming anyone when they have lost farms, orchards and ranches that have been in families for generations. I see no scam in rich topsoil blowing away as dust. Some of these growers have lost everything they have. Now you might say they employed criminal aliens and deserve the loss. Even if it is true, I fail to see how such "scamming" to the point of losing everything is beneficial. Or how the loss of tens of thousands of acres of farmland benefits us.

The water doesn't end up in the poor downtrodden family farms. The promoters just make it look that way just like the illegals supporters use "splitting up families" and "hard working tax paying good hearted people".
Once they get their way, and the water, they'll just continue driving out family farms the way they did before this opportunity came along.

[Kathy63]

The real results aren't going in that direction AG.

If you believe that cutting off the water to the farms is beneficial, you will just continue to believe it no matter what evidence turns up.

I will not allow criminal immigration to become the hobgoblin.

[Rim05]

You are right about that, AG.

[ilbegone]

Originally Posted by Ayatollahgondola

The water doesn't end up in the poor downtrodden family farms. The promoters just make it look that way just like the illegals supporters use "splitting up families" and "hard working tax paying good hearted people".
Once they get their way, and the water, they'll just continue driving out family farms the way they did before this opportunity came along.

Just like Walmart running off mom and pop business wherever they land.

[Rim05]

I didn't see the whole thing but I am certain he made no mention of simple step #1 - stop giving tax credits to companies that outsource or anything about stopping the bleeding of sending jobs overseas or reversing it.

I did not see all of it either but he did say we are going to stop giving tax credits to those who out source. Said the credits shoud go to the small businesses here. I thought it was a good SOTU address. It is a fact that no matter what he or any one else says they cannot please everyone. That is just life.

[Kathy63]

Originally Posted by ilbegone

Just like Walmart running off mom and pop business wherever they land.

That's a knotty problem isn't it?

The mom and pop businesses are usually overpriced and sell outdated goods. They don't have the inventory turnover and high costs. Walmart has high quality goods, lower prices and a record of raising employment.

Mom and Pop need to change the way they do business. If they can't, Walmart will run them off.

In case you think I do not have sufficient sympathy for the mom and pops, my direct competitor is Petco, just a few blocks away.