BREAKING! Obama Papers Leaking Out! Birth Papers-School Papers Exposed!

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by Cruisingfool

conspiracy theories?

Let me ask you one simple question, and I hope you do not find it too hard.

Why exactly is everyone of his background records (aka... birth certificate, college records, etc.) sealed?

Yes, conspiracy theories. That is why I won't get sucked into theis rabbitt hole with you. If you and the rest of your ilk want to destroy this movement then keep on with this wacko conspiracy stuff. You can join she who will not be named on the endless trail of conspiracy theories.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Cruisingfool

conspiracy theories?

Let me ask you one simple question, and I hope you do not find it too hard.

Why exactly is everyone of his background records (aka... birth certificate, college records, etc.) sealed?

Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

Yes, conspiracy theories. That is why I won't get sucked into theis rabbitt hole with you. If you and the rest of your ilk want to destroy this movement then keep on with this wacko conspiracy stuff. You can join she who will not be named on the endless trail of conspiracy theories.

Look....Can I interject here, not as a moderator or anything, but just a bystander?
this birth certificate controversy is not a big thing for me, not because I think it's a false front or a big scam either one, but rather because I have too much to do already. I don't see that much harm in people following a lead, as long as it is kept within the boundaries of good time management and proper disclosure. Having spent innumerable hours researching public records, I have come to the conclusion that people see what they want regardless of what the record says. Even judges and jurors. You can place damning hard evidence before whomever you want, and if they have a bent to see it a certain way, that's what will be seen. This plays the same for both sides of the Obama legitimacy controversy. What I'm saying here is both of you are probably right in some fashion, so don't let it create a rift between you. We all know that many in our government at that level are liars, else we wouldn't be here telling them we are onto their BS about illegals. We also know that Chelena will parrot anything that turns peoples' ears and eyes in her direction, and facts are as she wants to twist or create them, so there is no oracle on this issue to turn to yet. However there is one person who could have ended the majority of suspicion a long time ago, and his reluctance to do so may be more related to division than fraud. In any case, obama gets no quarter from me because he supports the fraud of illegal aliens and open borders, so why the hell should it matter if someone pressures him on the record? My theory is that we are not wrong to hammer him over the illegal alien issue, just as they are not wrong to hammer him on his qualifications. We're all at least hammering Obama, so we are somewhat united

[Rim05]

AG, I am not going to c/p any part of you post. My plain and simple complaint is, I AM TIRED OF IT ALREADY. All this howling is not going to change who he is or where he was born. I am so glad that I don't have to look at BUSH any more. Republicians will never get over losing to Obama no matter what he does. They will also never admit that GWB and his invasion of Iraq and no border control (maybe most) has a lot to do with what is wrong in the US today. I have stayed out of the birther bit for how many months now. I have also never said a word against Chelene, however she is the first one to declare on the old SOS that Obama is an Illegal Alien. Now all her supporters took up her cry. I AM MY OWN PERSON AND NO ONE CONTROLS MY MIND. I don't need to yell and cry but I do need to let people know we are supposed to be about Illegal Immigration. Some people have lost there way but I don't know what way they had in the beginning.

[Cruisingfool]

I've been following this long before Chelene every said anything. I asked PochoPatriot one easy question, and he goes off on the conspiracy bs. And RIMO on the other forum was one of the main instigators bringing politics into the forum, not me.

I will continue to post every article I find, so that people can make judgment by themselves.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by Cruisingfool

I've been following this long before Chelene every said anything. I asked PochoPatriot one easy question, and he goes off on the conspiracy bs. And RIMO on the other forum was one of the main instigators bringing politics into the forum, not me.

I will continue to post every article I find, so that people can make judgment by themselves.

SOS is no stranger to controversial subjects. Passionate exchanges are to be expected, but I was hoping to remind that we can disagree on one thing and unite on the other, so try not to damage your relationships by making one subject a do or die issue.

[Rim05]

And RIMO on the other forum was one of the main instigators bringing politics into the forum, not me

Selective memory there. I replied to politics and was attacked by others because I am Dem. Does not bother me because I do know how and who to vote for no matter the party.
Obama does not need me to defend anything. If he was able to be elected I have no desire to interfer.

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by Cruisingfool

I asked PochoPatriot one easy question, and he goes off on the conspiracy bs.

One thing I have learned from dealing with conspiracy theorists, like you, is that no amount of evidence is sufficient to "prove" anything related to his//her pet conspiracy. I have seen the evidence and I am convinced that the man is a natural born American citizen. Anyone who believes differently is a conspiracy theory nut that needs to leave this one alone.

[Ayatollahgondola]

Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

One thing I have learned from dealing with conspiracy theorists, like you, is that no amount of evidence is sufficient to "prove" anything related to his//her pet conspiracy. I have seen the evidence and I am convinced that the man is a natural born American citizen. Anyone who believes differently is a conspiracy theory nut that needs to leave this one alone.

Maybe I was wrong, and there is an Oracle on this matter

[Cruisingfool]

Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

One thing I have learned from dealing with conspiracy theorists, like you, is that no amount of evidence is sufficient to "prove" anything related to his//her pet conspiracy. I have seen the evidence and I am convinced that the man is a natural born American citizen. Anyone who believes differently is a conspiracy theory nut that needs to leave this one alone.

Okay, here goes another easy question. Please post the evidence you have seen, so that I too can be convinced. It is the liberal mentality to attack a person who asks a question, that doesn't blend in with their beliefs. I have yet to call you a name, and I can look back through this thread and count many times you have called me names.

I asked you why all of his records are sealed (as nobody has seen them, so I would like to know where you got your proof). As all the evidence I have investigated over a two-year period, suggest we have an illegal alien as president, but you say you have proof, please post it. I find it ironic that you are supposed to be fighting illegal immigration, but you are willing to overlook your own party. I'm convinced that Bush and Cheney had to know there was a problem here, but refused to get involved.

All I want to know, is the truth!

[PochoPatriot]

Originally Posted by Cruisingfool

Okay, here goes another easy question. Please post the evidence you have seen, so that I too can be convinced. It is the liberal mentality to attack a person who asks a question, that doesn't blend in with their beliefs. I have yet to call you a name, and I can look back through this thread and count many times you have called me names.

Conspiracy theorists will not accept any evidence that contradicts their preconceptions. That is why I won't live or die on this hill. If you chose to, that is your choice, but I won't join you.

Originally Posted by Cruisingfool

I asked you why all of his records are sealed (as nobody has seen them, so I would like to know where you got your proof). As all the evidence I have investigated over a two-year period, suggest we have an illegal alien as president, but you say you have proof, please post it.

As I have said, the evidence I have seen is more than enough to convince me. Enough said.

Originally Posted by Cruisingfool

I find it ironic that you are supposed to be fighting illegal immigration, but you are willing to overlook your own party.

Find it whatever you like. My fight is illegal immigration, not the delusions of Joseph Farah and World Nut Daily.

Originally Posted by Cruisingfool

I'm convinced that Bush and Cheney had to know there was a problem here, but refused to get involved.

And this is what makes you a conspiracy nut in my book. Why would the opposition party NOT trumpet this through conservative talk radio? Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Elder, et al. all think you guys are wacked.

Originally Posted by Cruisingfool

All I want to know, is the truth!

No, you want your presuppositions and prejudices fed, and nothing regardless of how devastating it is to them will change them.

Your problem, is that you want everyone to agree with you, and they don't you dismiss them as stupid, or "sheeple", or whatever pejorative of the daily you conspiracy theorists have at your disposal.

My time with this topic is done.