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02-11-2010, 08:29 PM
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Eegad! Stop Mischaracterizing the Eligibility Issue
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Eegad! Stop Mischaracterizing the Eligibility Issue IT’S NOT JUST THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE! by V. Harlow, blogging at http://www.vventures.net (Feb. 10, 2010) — The eligibility issue has constantly been mischaracterized as a “citizenship” issue or a “birth certificate” issue, and major media outlets keep playing on this same theme over and over, ridiculing those who want the truth. I suspect they are partially driven by fear: fear they won’t get interviews, fear they won’t get invitations, fear they won’t get to cover important issues if this issue is included in what they cover. Even Fox News continues to ridicule and mischaracterize this very important Constitutional issue. Can we attack this administration on other valid issues? Yes, of course. I don’t advocate doing anything less. It’s not right to push aside the very valid and important Constitutional issue of the eligibility of the current resident of White House to hold the job as though it is of no consequence. There have been people scoffing for over a year now, yet lawsuits continue. The issue is law. The highest office in the land, the one responsible for upholding our laws and protecting our freedoms, is the issue. Most reasonable people don’t question the “citizenship” of Obama. The Constitution has special requirements for holders of the presidency. One of them is “natural born citizen.” That is a higher standard than “citizen.” It is a higher standard than “native citizen.” Some people signed off on Obama’s qualification rather cavalierly either knowingly or carelessly. They need to be held to account. It’s easy to ridicule and destroy the reputations and careers of people fighting this battle, but it’s wrong. Orly Taitz, regardless of whether or not one questions her professionalism, does not deserve the treatment she has received from anonymous callers, malicious supporters of Obama, or from major media outlets. She comes willing and determined to defend our Constitution, while so many charged with that responsibility have forsaken it completely. Donofrio, Pidgeon, Berg, Kreep, and others fighting the battle do not deserve the ridicule. The American people overwhelmingly want to know the truth. An honest hearing is required. © 2010, The Post & Email, Inc. All rights reserved internationally, unless otherwise specified. |
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02-12-2010, 08:07 AM
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The Constitution has special requirements for holders of the presidency. One of them is “natural born citizen.” That is a higher standard than “citizen.” It is a higher standard than “native citizen.”
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02-12-2010, 08:35 AM
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Attorney Phil Berg of Obamacrimes.com has provide the specifics of why Obama isn't a citizen down to the minutae.
Phil is licensed to practice before the Supreme Court and has presented cases there before. I have personally conversed with Phil and his reasons for declaring that Obama is not a citizen are well documented on his website. |
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02-12-2010, 08:45 AM
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I'll read it over the weekend. This is the guy out of Pennsylvania, right? |
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02-12-2010, 02:02 PM
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Yeah, and he was a Hillary supporter. If you really want a knowledgeable conversation, you really need to study the facts!
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02-12-2010, 09:49 PM
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You didn't answer the question. What impact would Obama's mother being a minor and married (to anyone from anywhere) have upon the citizenship of her Hawaiian-born child? |
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02-13-2010, 05:18 AM
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02-13-2010, 10:54 AM
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I was not dumb enough to vote somebody into this high of office, clearly knowing nobody has ever seen his birth certificate. The only thing that has been shown is a COLB, which anybody, from anywhere could of gone to Hawaii and got one that looked just like obummers. |
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02-13-2010, 10:13 AM
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Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth
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Link Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth 'This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months' Posted: October 23, 2008 11:33 pm Eastern © 2010 WorldNetDaily  Philip J. Berg The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya. The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii. But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release. "This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States." He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961." Berg said he's pursuing the issue because of "the most important document in the United States," the U.S. Constitution. "Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution," he said. "The Constitution's provisions are very small for qualifying for president. One, be over 35, and he is. Two, be in the country 14 years, and he has been. Three, be a natural-born citizen. He is not." Obama campaign officials acknowledged the dispute by posting the image purporting to be a copy of his certification of live birth earlier this year. But they've declined to return WND requests for comment on the issues. WND reported earlier this week Berg's claim that Obama has legally "admitted" the accusations included in his lawsuit, including that he was born in Mombosa, Kenya, by not responding to the allegations. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States. His lawsuit is demanding that the courts verify Obama's original birth certificate. Berg has cited Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter. Since Obama filed only motions to dismiss the case and did not actually answer the claims, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen., asserted Berg, who has taken his information public through his website. Berg addressed the existence of a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper, featured on the Atlasshrugs2000 website, that suggests Obama was born in the city Aug. 4, 1961. But Berg explained to Savage he believes Obama's mother was near the end of her pregnancy and unable to travel by plane, so Obama was born in Kenya. The family then traveled to Hawaii and registered the birth and submitted the newspaper announcement. Besides Berg's lawsuit, several other court challenges also have been filed, including one in Washington state where petitioners are seeking to have the Washington secretary of state "verify Obama's eligibility" to serve prior to the election. The claim states, "The 'certificate' that Mr. Obama has posted on his official Website is a 'Certification of Live Birth,' and not a 'Birth Certificate' from Hawaii. There is no indication on even this certificate as to specifically where the birth took place." Berg also told Savage there is no information available on which hospital Obama's mother used in Hawaii. The Washington state case also alleges, "Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008, stating that a research team went to Mombasa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Kenya Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen. When Jerome Corsi, senior WND investigator reporter, recently traveled to Kenya to investigate several questions about the candidate, he was told the records were sealed and would not be made available. Though it hasn't given Berg the evidence he seeks, the Obama campaign has publicly answered allegations that the candidate was born in Kenya and faked his Hawaii birth certificate. "Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper," says the "Fight the Smears" section of Obama's website, "they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen. "The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America," the campaign website states. It also includes images of the Hawaii certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama II. The Washington claim states, "If in fact Obama was born in Kenya, the laws on the books in the United States at the time of his birth stated if a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen, which would have been his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother would have had to live ten (10) years in the United States, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama's birth, his mother was only eighteen (18) and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship much less the status of 'natural born.'" Berg said he believed it also was a complication that Obama's mother divorced his father, married and moved to Indonesia for several years and Obama attended school there at a time when, Berg said, only Indonesia citizens were allowed in schools. Records that are available from Indonesia revealed Obama was registered in school as Barry Soetoro, and his religion was listed as Islam. When Obama later returned to Hawaii, within the United States, there should have been a government document affirming his citizenship, but that also cannot be found. If that was not processed properly, Berg said, Obama would be in a situation even worse than not being a natural-born citizen. "If he didn't go through immigration, he now is illegal and has been an illegal alien. He couldn't even hold the position of senator for Illinois," Berg said. Further, Berg said he suspected Obama's college records may indicate he received aid as a foreigner, and that's why those records have been withheld by the campaign. "I really think it's because it probably indicates he's from Kenya, or Indonesia, or received foreign aid," Berg said. "I feel very confident saying these things," Berg told Savage. Here you can do some learning, as I am not going to dig through all this mess, just to answer your questions. A typical liberal spine job! |
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02-13-2010, 10:15 AM
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98546
HE FULL STORY Is Obama constitutionally eligible to serve? WND's complete archive of news reports on the issue Posted: January 05, 2010 1:48 am Eastern © 2010 WorldNetDaily Barack Obama, the man elected president Oklahoma firecracker takes on Obama eligibility Candidate: 'If he claims he was born at Kapi'olani, I want him to show proof' 'I don't know whether Obama's a U.S. citizen' Growing list of lawmakers, talker questioning eligibility of president Obama's prayer: 'Don't question my citizenship' Raises issue of eligibility in speech at annual breakfast gathering Chrysler bankruptcy lawyers raise eligibility question Defense of dealer dismissals cites question of Obama's birth Courts can remove ineligible chief executive Precedent cited in appeal of California challenge to president's tenure D.C. court case demands Obama explain eligibility Contends president's allegiance is to Britain, Kenya, Indonesia Democrats suddenly interested in Obama birth certificate Senate campaign director has plan to harm Republicans running for offices Even Californians doubt president's eligibility Survey says 1 in 3 have unanswered questions Birth certificate 'baloney': 'Official' doesn't mean real Investigation shows how terrorists, fakers could pass as U.S. citizens Hawaii launches defense to Obama birth queries Posts 'vital records' Web page saying responses 'not' required Appeals court told Obama 'security risk' Eligibility case says 'usurper' lacks 'constitutional authority' Obama's eligibility becomes war between the states Lawmakers jump into fray, seek answer to constitutional question 3 dozen lawmakers want proof of Obama eligibility Proposal would demand state officials independently verify information Birthers, is Secret Service watching you? Agents pay visits to those who question Obama's eligibility White House mum on eligibility demand Congressman's question to president confirmed Newspapers' birth announcements: So what? Critics rely on routine published statements in Honolulu Report: Congressman challenges Obama eligibility 'This forever changes the public discourse' Glenn Beck on birther issue: 'Dumbest thing I've ever heard' Claims controversy is political 'dream come true' for Obama --WND Guess how 'the One' will be honored next Obama Day, Park, High School, Birthplace – if only they can figure exactly where that is --WND Guess what AOL users say about eligibility questions 67% polled support Palin's remarks about Obama birth --WND Palin: OK to press Obama's eligibility Voters 'rightfully' making doubt about birth certificate an issue --WND Appeals brief scheduled in Obama eligibility challenge 'We look forward to moving ahead with this very important constitutional case' --WND Judge dismisses California eligibility challenge Plaintiffs promise appeal of ruling protecting Obama --WND Does eligibility court clerk have ties to Obama? Wikipedia editors scrub page over 'fears that some birther might go nuts' --WND Michelle contradicts Obama nativity story Divulges Ann Dunham was 'very young and very single' at birth of U.S. president --WND Appeal filed in Obama eligibility argument 'Court cannot refuse to hear a case because it prefers not' --WND Obama law tab up to $1.7 million 'Grass-roots army' contributions used to crush eligibility lawsuits? --WND Judge accused of 'intimidation' Eligibility lawyer takes $20,000 penalty to next level --WND Judge tosses eligibility case against Congress 'We've lost a skirmish. Now on with the war in the higher courts!' --WND Obama from Kenya, archived report says Revives worry about president's eligibility for office --WND Plaintiff: Courts must hear eligibility arguments Cites Marshall opinion that to refuse is treason --WND Judge sets 'final' calendar for eligibility challenge Ruling suggests there will be a trial, but doesn't confirm it --WND Judge: Eligibility dispute is 'serious' Says case will be expedited when representation lined up --WND Obama eligibility case survives 1st court test Judge hears arguments, refuses immediate dismissal demand --WND Obama eligibility to see its day in court? Pivotal hearing decides whether 'birther' case will be trashed, heard on merits --WND Obama from Kenya, archived report says Revives worry about president's eligibility for office --WND Eligibility attorney mocked, fined $20,000 Judge: Perhaps 'eccentric citizen' convinced president 'alien from Mars' --WND Senator says Obama's birth location doesn't matter Tim Johnson: He's natural-born citizen 'regardless' of place --WND Was Obama's birth out of wedlock? Book rekindles speculation parents never married --WND Congressman: Obama has something to hide It's not citizenship, but 'there's some other issue there' --WND Judge stalls access to Obama birth data Says he'll adjust trial date if plaintiffs need time for researching prez records --WND Motion: Judge follows 'illegitimate chain of command' Document alleged evidence 'courts are subject to external control' --WND Judge threatens eligibility lawyer with $10,000 fine Says case, appeal of dismissal frivolous --WND Feminist Camille Paglia: Birthers have a point Tells radio audience 'there are legitimate questions about the documentation' --WND Eligibility lawyer urges focus on the goal Taitz says 'attacks' need to be directed at Obama --WND Judge ridicules eligibility case Trashes soldier's complaint, compares merits to 'Alice in Wonderland' --WND Legislator takes eligibility question to election officials 'I expect somebody to come up with some answers; so far that hasn't happened' --WND President's lawyers say eligibility question over Argue for dismissal of lawsuit over Obama's qualifications --WND Legislator takes eligibility question to election officials 'I expect somebody to come up with answers; so far that hasn't happened' --WND Soldier ordered not to challenge Obama's eligibility? Army doctor claims she was barred from answering judge's call to court --WND Eye-popper: Is Nancy Pelosi in on eligibility cover-up? Online images for certification of nomination raise questions --WND Birth-certificate seller surfaces as witness Testifying in case challenging President Obama's eligibility --WND Obama presents 'nativity myth' to schoolkids Evidence shows mother actually left days after president born --WND 'Birth certificate' billboards on the Net Ads reach targeted audience, extend campaign reaching millions a day --WND Shocker! Judge orders trial on eligibility issue Arguments planned Jan. 11 for major Obama challenge --WND Panic in D.C.? Justice urges birth suit tossed Late motion filed by feds as case ready for hearing --WND Billboard campaign hits San Antonio 'Where's the birth certificate?' Still no answers --WND Arguments for eBay birth certificate fall short Jerome Corsi responds to seller of purported Kenyan document --WND Official Obama nativity story continues to unravel Girlfriend places mother in Seattle in August 1961 --WND Guess who's latest player in birth-certificate billboards Huge signs by interstate will be seen by 300,000 per day in Denver alone --WND eBay birth certificate called fraud Hospital refuses to authenticate document --WND Did Obama's grandmother say he was born in Kenya? Audio! Witnesses contend interpreter tried to change her answer to 'Hawaii' --WND County grills pastor over 'Where's birth certificate?' Democrats want church service as polling place terminated --WND Franks joins demand for eligibility proof Gives Obama 2008 pass, but would require papers in 2012 --WND Congressman eyes lawsuit over president's eligibility Republican finds birth certificate sizzling topic at Arizona town hall --WND eBay seller releases video of 'Obama birth certificate' Barack's dad had bachelor pad, mother left Hawaii with baby --WND Tom Delay – proud 'birther' 'Constitution specifically says you have to be natural born citizen' --WND Obama's parents didn't live at newspaper birth address Barack's dad had bachelor pad, mother left Hawaii with baby --WND Eligibility billboard campaign goes viral Americans make homemade 'Where's the birth certificate?' signs --WND Obama's MySpace page: I'm 52 years old, not 48 Would place president's birth during time Hawaii was a territory --WND Birth certificate fraud: It's been done before FBI, Department of Justice have record of bribe scandal --WND Obama mama: 6 lost months No documented record of whereabouts, activity leading up to baby's birth in '61 --WND 'Where's the birth certificate?' Vegas, baby! Eligibility billboard campaign hits jackpot in heart of the Strip --WND CNN gives boot to talk radio hosts Described as 'all noise' and too predictable --WND Gibbs stumbles explaining Obama's birthplace 'The president was born … uhm … in … uhh, uhh … was born' --WND 'Doonesbury' pokes fun at constitutional question Cartoonist Trudeau suggests Hitler would want documentation of eligibility, too --WND Federal judge calls soldier's Obama challenge 'frivolous' Stunned warrior: 'I might get crushed in the wheels of the Chicago machine' --WND Evidence challenges claim over Obama's birth address Father in bachelor pad while mom left islands --WND Globe: Obama's Hawaiian birth document fake Cover story in tabloid suggests Canadian connection --WND Blogger: I created Kenya document Posts images of document, says 'You've been punk'd' --WND 'Where's the birth certificate?' The movie 'A Question of Eligibility' lays foundation for understanding hot issue --WND Obama law tab up to $1.4 million 'Grass-roots army' contributions being used to crush eligibility lawsuits? --WND Bill would force Obama to reveal birth documents Hawaii senator: 'Why wouldn't they be available to the public?' --WND Obama birth doc update: Kenya sources weigh in Comparison with similar certificates suggests fakery, WND probe reveals --WND Dig this: Media actually probed other candidates Divulged personal documents on arrests, surgeries, colleges --WND Obama 'mama': 15 days from birth to Seattle class Dunham signed up for assignments just 2 weeks out of delivery room --WND Timeline surrounding Barack Obama's purported birth Kenyan document ignites firestorm over authenticity Online Aussie paperwork cited for 'striking similarities' --WND 1,200 send Obama request for records 'American people are becoming more aware of this obstinacy on your part' --WND What does 'natural born citizen' legally mean? Debate whether British dad's baby meets constitutional requirement for president --WND Now Glenn Beck slams Obama birth issue 'What, are you going to take him out of office? You can't do that' --WND Harry Reid: Not 1 minute for 'phony issue' of birth Senate floor criticisms make sure dispute is in Congressional Record --WND Farah's birthday challenge: A $10,000 gift to hospital WND editor says he will make donation if Obama releases long-form document --WND HuffPost blogger, college prof: Release birth certificate 'It's so easy. I think most of us have ours in our important papers at home' --WND Hawaii refuses to verify president's online COLBs Officials mum on images released by Obama's campaign, FactCheck.org --WND Andrew Sullivan: Release the birth certificate Influential columnist, blogger joins, then unjoins call for official 'transparency' --WND Is this really smoking gun of Obama's Kenyan birth? Attorney files motion for authentication of alleged 1960s certificate from Africa --WND New poll shows birthers growing Majority of GOP, Southerners question president's birthplace --WND Join 445,000 others in seeking citizenship proof Petition demands verification of Obama's eligibility --WND Expert: Watch loyalty, not certificate of birth Cites Obama's references to Islam, denial of America's Christianity --WND Where's monument for Obama's birthplace? Most presidents have parks, plaques, but No. 44 could be left out --WND Farah: 'White House wants to silence dissent' WND chief tells radio listeners why birth certificate story still alive --WND No. 11 signs onto demand for eligibility proof Former judge now cosponsor for Posey plan --WND Vanished: Obama exposer disappears off Net Owner vows: 'This guy is coming down, there's nothing anybody can do about it' --WND Guess how many ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate' Some required nothing more than assertion from an adult --WND |
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