BREAKING! Obama Papers Leaking Out! Birth Papers-School Papers Exposed!

[Cruisingfool]

Originally Posted by PochoPatriot

Ah, Sam, people like the one you're addressing have already made up their minds, so don't confuse them with the facts.

As an aside, this is one of the rabbit holes the border security movement has gone down, and lost a great deal of credibility due to it.

Wouldn't you consider a person in this Country, serving as President, that has every item of his History sealed, and his Grandmother is on video in Mombasa, Kenya clearly stating she witnessed her grandturd being born in Mombasa, Kenya, as an illegal alien?

[Cruisingfool]

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Eegad! Stop Mischaracterizing the Eligibility Issue

IT’S NOT JUST THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

by V. Harlow, blogging at http://www.vventures.net

(Feb. 10, 2010) — The eligibility issue has constantly been mischaracterized as a “citizenship” issue or a “birth certificate” issue, and major media outlets keep playing on this same theme over and over, ridiculing those who want the truth.

I suspect they are partially driven by fear: fear they won’t get interviews, fear they won’t get invitations, fear they won’t get to cover important issues if this issue is included in what they cover. Even Fox News continues to ridicule and mischaracterize this very important Constitutional issue.

Can we attack this administration on other valid issues? Yes, of course. I don’t advocate doing anything less. It’s not right to push aside the very valid and important Constitutional issue of the eligibility of the current resident of White House to hold the job as though it is of no consequence. There have been people scoffing for over a year now, yet lawsuits continue. The issue is law. The highest office in the land, the one responsible for upholding our laws and protecting our freedoms, is the issue.

Most reasonable people don’t question the “citizenship” of Obama. The Constitution has special requirements for holders of the presidency. One of them is “natural born citizen.” That is a higher standard than “citizen.” It is a higher standard than “native citizen.”

Some people signed off on Obama’s qualification rather cavalierly either knowingly or carelessly. They need to be held to account.

It’s easy to ridicule and destroy the reputations and careers of people fighting this battle, but it’s wrong. Orly Taitz, regardless of whether or not one questions her professionalism, does not deserve the treatment she has received from anonymous callers, malicious supporters of Obama, or from major media outlets. She comes willing and determined to defend our Constitution, while so many charged with that responsibility have forsaken it completely.

Donofrio, Pidgeon, Berg, Kreep, and others fighting the battle do not deserve the ridicule. The American people overwhelmingly want to know the truth.

An honest hearing is required.

© 2010, The Post & Email, Inc. All rights reserved internationally, unless otherwise specified.

The Constitution has special requirements for holders of the presidency. One of them is “natural born citizen.” That is a higher standard than “citizen.” It is a higher standard than “native citizen.”

[Eagle1]

Attorney Phil Berg of Obamacrimes.com has provide the specifics of why Obama isn't a citizen down to the minutae.

Phil is licensed to practice before the Supreme Court and has presented cases there before.

I have personally conversed with Phil and his reasons for declaring that Obama is not a citizen are well documented on his website.

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Originally Posted by Eagle1

Attorney Phil Berg of Obamacrimes.com has provide the specifics of why Obama isn't a citizen down to the minutae.

Phil is licensed to practice before the Supreme Court and has presented cases there before.

I have personally conversed with Phil and his reasons for declaring that Obama is not a citizen are well documented on his website.

I'll read it over the weekend. This is the guy out of Pennsylvania, right?

[Cruisingfool]

Yeah, and he was a Hillary supporter. If you really want a knowledgeable conversation, you really need to study the facts!

[DerailAmnesty.com]

Originally Posted by Cruisingfool

Yeah, and he was a Hillary supporter. If you really want a knowledgeable conversation, you really need to study the facts!

You didn't answer the question. What impact would Obama's mother being a minor and married (to anyone from anywhere) have upon the citizenship of her Hawaiian-born child?

[Rim05]

What impact would Obama's mother being a minor and married (to anyone from anywhere) have upon the citizenship of her Hawaiian-born child?

Good question. But, when a person is hell bent on trying to do something they want more than anything, then some of the time they must stray from reality/reason. There is a time to accept reality.

[Cruisingfool]

Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

You didn't answer the question. What impact would Obama's mother being a minor and married (to anyone from anywhere) have upon the citizenship of her Hawaiian-born child?

First off, his grandmother is on video saying she was a witness in Mobassa, Kenya, in the village where he was born. So I'm not sure where you come up with Hawaiia-born child. If he really was born in Hawaii there wouldn't be a problem with his mothers age.

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Democrat: Obama's grandma confirms Kenyan birth
'This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months'
Posted: October 23, 2008
11:33 pm Eastern

© 2010 WorldNetDaily


Philip J. Berg

The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.

The issue of Obama's birthplace, which he states is Honolulu in 1961, has been raised enough times that his campaign website has posted an image purporting to be of his "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii.

But Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general for Pennsylvania, told the Michael Savage talk radio program tonight that the document is forged and that he has a tape recording he will soon release.

"This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States."

He said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she "was in the delivery
room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961."

Berg said he's pursuing the issue because of "the most important document in the United States," the U.S. Constitution.

"Nothing is more important than enforcing the Constitution," he said. "The Constitution's provisions are very small for qualifying for president. One, be over 35, and he is. Two, be in the country 14 years, and he has been. Three, be a natural-born citizen. He is not."

Obama campaign officials acknowledged the dispute by posting the image purporting to be a copy of his certification of live birth earlier this year. But they've declined to return WND requests for comment on the issues.

WND reported earlier this week Berg's claim that Obama has legally "admitted" the accusations included in his lawsuit, including that he was born in Mombosa, Kenya, by not responding to the allegations.

Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States.

His lawsuit is demanding that the courts verify Obama's original birth certificate.

Berg has cited Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.

Since Obama filed only motions to dismiss the case and did not actually answer the claims, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen., asserted Berg, who has taken his information public through his website.

Berg addressed the existence of a birth announcement in the Honolulu Advertiser newspaper, featured on the Atlasshrugs2000 website, that suggests Obama was born in the city Aug. 4, 1961.

But Berg explained to Savage he believes Obama's mother was near the end of her pregnancy and unable to travel by plane, so Obama was born in Kenya. The family then traveled to Hawaii and registered the birth and submitted the newspaper announcement.

Besides Berg's lawsuit, several other court challenges also have been filed, including one in Washington state where petitioners are seeking to have the Washington secretary of state "verify Obama's eligibility" to serve prior to the election.

The claim states, "The 'certificate' that Mr. Obama has posted on his official Website is a 'Certification of Live Birth,' and not a 'Birth Certificate' from Hawaii. There is no indication on even this certificate as to specifically where the birth took place."

Berg also told Savage there is no information available on which hospital Obama's mother used in Hawaii.

The Washington state case also alleges, "Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal as a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008, stating that a research team went to Mombasa, Kenya, and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Kenya Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a U.S. citizen.

When Jerome Corsi, senior WND investigator reporter, recently traveled to Kenya to investigate several questions about the candidate, he was told the records were sealed and would not be made available.

Though it hasn't given Berg the evidence he seeks, the Obama campaign has publicly answered allegations that the candidate was born in Kenya and faked his Hawaii birth certificate.

"Smears claiming Barack Obama doesn't have a birth certificate aren't actually about that piece of paper," says the "Fight the Smears" section of Obama's website, "they're about manipulating people into thinking Barack is not an American citizen.

"The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America," the campaign website states. It also includes images of the Hawaii certificate bearing the name Barack Hussein Obama II.

The Washington claim states, "If in fact Obama was born in Kenya, the laws on the books in the United States at the time of his birth stated if a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen, which would have been his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother would have had to live ten (10) years in the United States, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama's birth, his mother was only eighteen (18) and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship much less the status of 'natural born.'"

Berg said he believed it also was a complication that Obama's mother divorced his father, married and moved to Indonesia for several years and Obama attended school there at a time when, Berg said, only Indonesia citizens were allowed in schools. Records that are available from Indonesia revealed Obama was registered in school as Barry Soetoro, and his religion was listed as Islam.

When Obama later returned to Hawaii, within the United States, there should have been a government document affirming his citizenship, but that also cannot be found. If that was not processed properly, Berg said, Obama would be in a situation even worse than not being a natural-born citizen.

"If he didn't go through immigration, he now is illegal and has been an illegal alien. He couldn't even hold the position of senator for Illinois," Berg said.

Further, Berg said he suspected Obama's college records may indicate he received aid as a foreigner, and that's why those records have been withheld by the campaign.

"I really think it's because it probably indicates he's from Kenya, or Indonesia, or received foreign aid," Berg said.

"I feel very confident saying these things," Berg told Savage.


Here you can do some learning, as I am not going to dig through all this mess, just to answer your questions. A typical liberal spine job!

[Dawes]

Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

You didn't answer the question. What impact would Obama's mother being a minor and married (to anyone from anywhere) have upon the citizenship of her Hawaiian-born child?

First, you answer the question why you think he is a Hawaiian born child.

The only way to prove that is to show an Official State of Hawaii Birth Certificate. So far, he has not produced one. The only thing they have is a Certificate of Live Birth, which under state law, is NOT an official Birth Certificate. It is basically just a certificate to show the child was born alive and not dead.

This certificate can not be used as documentation for a U.S. Passport application.

So without that type of documentation, it would lead to other documents being produced that would lead to the original document, whatever that document may be.
Yes, he has a passport but what does it say on it?

Yes, he went to an American university, but what is on the application and financial paperwork.

Without any U.S. documentation produced, how does one jump to the conclusion you jump too?

He ran for president because some Democrats sent in a 2nd certified copy of a certificate saying he could run for president. That was the only thing that would have held him back. Of course, Nancy Pelosi would never lie about a thing like that, now, would she?