BREAKING! Obama Papers Leaking Out! Birth Papers-School Papers Exposed!

rs232c · #1 02-09-2010, 05:23 PM

I didn't find a link to the Barry registration, but if it is what I am thinking of it has been circulated for awhile. It is one of many source documents, both verified and fraud-ed, to come out of the birther movement. At this point in time the crusade to prove Barry's qualifications invalid has had it's grounds cut off at it's head since the October 29th, 2009 decision against Dr. Orly Taitz's suit in Santa Anna, CA. There are no other meritorious cases pending that I know of since then.

For myself, the issue has gone beyond Barry and rests as a constitutional crisis where the following questions must be answered by our legal system:

1. What are the legal requirements to become President of the United States, the process that must be followed to complete to meet the requirements, and who has the standing to redress or challenge those findings, certifications, or assertions?

2. Which of these legal requirements are open to the public for inspection and scrutiny, open to the government for inspection and scrutiny, and which of these are protected against inspection and scrutiny as a candidate's privacy and civil rights?

To date, following the birther movement, I have learned that:

1. When lawyers study the Constitution, they do not study the Constitution; they study what judges have said about the Constitution.

2. What the judges have said about the plethora of filings on all levels, up to and including the Supreme Court, to challenge Barry's candidacy (he declared himself Obama, his birth name, while attending a community college with no mention to any legal process) is that no one has standing to demand a certificate of live birth from anyone else, and if anyone does, it would be the responsibility of Congress itself who has not politically seen fit to date to resolve this crisis either now or in the future.

There was a bill introduced to do just this in 2009, but has been laughed at so far as far as I can tell.

The other political mood is to overturn the natural born citizen requirement so the followers of Arnold can elect him president. Something else, thankfully, that has lost traction over the years. The framers saw that our president must not have any allegiances to other countries, and in my view, we already had that with Bush. Barry has not yet warmed up.

As far as precedent goes, Chester A. Arthur was not a natural born citizen as defined in his day and was elected president. This discovery wasn't made for many, many years I believe. When discovered, no one in politics cared.

Do we? I do.

Cruisingfool · #2 02-09-2010, 06:48 PM

Your damn right I care!

DerailAmnesty.com · #3 02-10-2010, 12:15 AM

A couple questions for those of you who believe that Barack Obama is illegitimately occupying the White House:

A. If Barack Obama never attended Columbia, where he is thought to have completed his undergraduate education, how did he get into Harvard Law School?

B. How many people would have to unanimously agree to perpetuate, and then participate in, a successful conspiracy to lie about a Hawaiian state government birth certificate, and fake records relating to completing a 4 year degree at an Ivy League university?

Rim05 · #4 02-10-2010, 03:59 AM

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A couple questions for those of you who believe that Barack Obama is illegitimately occupying the White House:

A. If Barack Obama never attended Columbia, where he is thought to have completed his undergraduate education, how did he get into Harvard Law School?

B. How many people would have to unanimously agree to perpetuate, and then participate in, a successful conspiracy to lie about a Hawaiian state government birth certificate, and fake records relating to completing a 4 year degree at an Ivy League university?

I have never gotten into this Birther Thing. It just seems like a Dirty Harry movie. How did someone think about it in 1961, some simply will never give up their only hope. It seems like Comedy Forum to me.

Twoller · #5 02-10-2010, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Rim05

I have never gotten into this Birther Thing. It just seems like a Dirty Harry movie. How did someone think about it in 1961, some simply will never give up their only hope. It seems like Comedy Forum to me.

The compulsion to corrupt US citizenship goes back a long way and the obsession like that existed in the Obamination's mother is only matched by the reactionaries who insist in inflating the basic issue into something or somewhere else. Sort of like the assassination of JFK.

The guy should not even be a citizen, much less a president. It doesn't matter where he was born, what does matter is what is beyond debate, which is who his father was -- a noncitizen.

DerailAmnesty.com · #6 02-10-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Twoller

The guy should not even be a citizen, much less a president. It doesn't matter where he was born, what does matter is what is beyond debate, which is who his father was -- a noncitizen.

That assertion is flat out wrong. You have misstated federal law pertaining to birthright citizenship.

Obama's mother is a U.S. citizen; further, his father was lawfully in the United States on a student visa (two currently irrelevant legal points). Obama was born on U.S. soil. Hence, he's a citizen.

Not only is what you have stated inaccurate, it would be inaccurate if the law was modified in the fashion many border security activists would like to see undertaken. Currently, a child is legally a U.S. citizen if he is born on U.S. soil, regardless of his parents' unlawful residency status. Many individuals feel this is the result of a perversion/misinterpretation of the Civil War Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. They opine that a person should not receive legal residency if born in our country, if one or more parents is an illegal alien. Even under this formula, Barack Obama would be a citizen.

So Twoller, you've got me confused. Assuming Obama was born in Hawaii, why isn't he a citizen?

PochoPatriot · #7 02-11-2010, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

That assertion is flat out wrong. You have misstated federal law pertaining to birthright citizenship.

Obama's mother is a U.S. citizen; further, his father was lawfully in the United States on a student visa (two currently irrelevant legal points). Obama was born on U.S. soil. Hence, he's a citizen.

Not only is what you have stated inaccurate, it would be inaccurate if the law was modified in the fashion many border security activists would like to see undertaken. Currently, a child is legally a U.S. citizen if he is born on U.S. soil, regardless of his parents' unlawful residency status. Many individuals feel this is the result of a perversion/misinterpretation of the Civil War Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. They opine that a person should not receive legal residency if born in our country, if one or more parents is an illegal alien. Even under this formula, Barack Obama would be a citizen.

So Twoller, you've got me confused. Assuming Obama was born in Hawaii, why isn't he a citizen?

Ah, Sam, people like the one you're addressing have already made up their minds, so don't confuse them with the facts.

As an aside, this is one of the rabbit holes the border security movement has gone down, and lost a great deal of credibility due to it.

Cruisingfool · #8 02-11-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DerailAmnesty.com

That assertion is flat out wrong. You have misstated federal law pertaining to birthright citizenship.

Obama's mother is a U.S. citizen; further, his father was lawfully in the United States on a student visa (two currently irrelevant legal points). Obama was born on U.S. soil. Hence, he's a citizen.

Not only is what you have stated inaccurate, it would be inaccurate if the law was modified in the fashion many border security activists would like to see undertaken. Currently, a child is legally a U.S. citizen if he is born on U.S. soil, regardless of his parents' unlawful residency status. Many individuals feel this is the result of a perversion/misinterpretation of the Civil War Amendments to the U.S. Constitution. They opine that a person should not receive legal residency if born in our country, if one or more parents is an illegal alien. Even under this formula, Barack Obama would be a citizen.

So Twoller, you've got me confused. Assuming Obama was born in Hawaii, why isn't he a citizen?

You sir are flat out wrong! Obummers mother was under the age of 18 at the time of birth of this turd! She was married to a british citizen when she popped out this turd, you might want to check out the Law!

Cruisingfool · #9 02-10-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rim05

I have never gotten into this Birther Thing. It just seems like a Dirty Harry movie. How did someone think about it in 1961, some simply will never give up their only hope. It seems like Comedy Forum to me.

Remember those words.....

Rim05 · #10 02-10-2010, 07:45 PM

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The guy should not even be a citizen, much less a president. It doesn't matter where he was born, what does matter is what is beyond debate, which is who his father was -- a noncitizen.

Remember, I said I am not into this Birther Thing, however two Illegal Invaders cross the border and drop a little one and it is a US CITIZEN.